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    (Original post by cambio wechsel)
    Nor for barbaric practices of whatever provenance. But not wanting your teenaged daughter to swim with boys doesn't seem obviously barbaric.
    The people in question aren't teenagers yet, but yeah. This is such a non-story.
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    (Original post by cambio wechsel)
    Nor for barbaric practices of whatever provenance. But not wanting your teenaged daughter to swim with boys doesn't seem obviously barbaric.
    It clearly isn't. This is a non-issue and people make a big deal out of it because they want to appear to be tough on Muslims or whatever.
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    (Original post by Quantex)
    Whatever next? Muslims demanding gender segregation in schools? Stop these abhorrent cultural practices now. This is just not European or British (*).

    * Besides Eton, Roedean, etc.



    Sadly a lot of Brits are poorly informed about the EU or the ECHR.
    So you oppose muslims segregating their kids but it's ok if the elite do it?

    (Original post by hassassin04)
    Freedom of religion should not be interfering with other rules. Believe in whatever you want in ur basement but do not impose your religious freaking views on others and require special treatment.
    This is hardly special treatment.
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    (Original post by cbreef)
    So you oppose muslims segregating but it's ok if the elite do it?
    No, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in my usual snarky way.

    Until it closed, my local swimming pool had separate male and female sessions. No one battered an eyelid. But when it involves Muslims and Islam, people go on the moral rampage.
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    (Original post by hassassin04)
    Freedom of religion should not be interfering with other rules. Believe in whatever you want in ur basement but do not impose your religious freaking views on others and require special treatment.
    What other rules? and who imposes their religious views on whom?
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    (Original post by RainbowMan)
    It clearly isn't. This is a non-issue and people make a big deal out of it because they want to appear to be tough on Muslims or whatever.
    If people entering a society voluntarily and then reject the basic tenets of that society - and wearing special clothes that signal rejection, refusing handshakes or putting women into purdah are all examples of a very firm rejection of our society - then they should expect that society to be antagonistic to them.

    What makes it worse is that it is all for reasons of superstitious belief that should have died out in the deserts of Arabia hundreds of years ago.

    I can tolerate most things, but not aggressive intolerance - and Islam is institutionalised intolerance, which actively seeks to spread into areas which have been mercifully free of it.
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    (Original post by Quantex)
    No, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in my usual snarky way.

    Until it closed, my local swimming pool had separate male and female sessions. No one battered an eyelid. But when it involves Muslims and Islam, people go on the moral rampage.
    Similar to how complete non-vegetarians who couldn't give a damn about factory farming or any other such slaughter of animals in the meat production industry suddenly claim to be huge animal rights advocates when the topic of halal meat is raised.
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    This will only get worse with excess immigration. time to leave the EU.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    If people entering a society voluntarily
    And what about those who are born into it and have little choice in the matter?
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    I didn't spot that, but it is self-contradictory anyway.
    The title is "Swiss win EU case - Muslims girls must swim with boys"
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    (Original post by Quantex)
    Whatever next? Muslims demanding gender segregation in schools? Stop these abhorrent cultural practices now. This is just not European or British (*).

    * Besides Eton, Roedean, etc.



    Sadly a lot of Brits are poorly informed about the EU or the ECHR.
    Unfortunately I think that's what caused people to vote to leave.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    And what about those who are born into it and have little choice in the matter?
    Their parents are the one forbidding them to partake...
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    (Original post by RainbowMan)
    What other rules? and who imposes their religious views on whom?
    The rule that children should be attending classes and they impose their views by pretty much requiring a separate swimming pool for girls.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    If people entering a society voluntarily and then reject the basic tenets of that society - and wearing special clothes that signal rejection, refusing handshakes or putting women into purdah are all examples of a very firm rejection of our society - then they should expect that society to be antagonistic to them.

    What makes it worse is that it is all for reasons of superstitious belief that should have died out in the deserts of Arabia hundreds of years ago.

    I can tolerate most things, but not aggressive intolerance - and Islam is institutionalised intolerance, which actively seeks to spread into areas which have been mercifully free of it.
    Lol, what are the basic tenets that are broken by allowing people to practice their religion freely? it's a basic tenet of liberal societies to allow people to wear whatever clothing offends you and belief in things which you don't like. That's the basic tenet here, not whether boys and girls should swim together.
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    To those saying Muslims shouldn't get special privileges; that's not what they're asking for. No one is asking for a separate swimming pool, just that their daughters are not obligated to participate. I don't see anything wrong in that?

    Edit: then again I didn't read the link, just based my assumption off of the summary.
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    (Original post by hassassin04)
    The rule that children should be attending classes and they impose their views by pretty much requiring a separate swimming pool for girls.
    Nobody denied that children should be attending classes - what does that even mean?

    And they don't impose their view on anyone, you don't have to attend their classe, nor do they want to build a separate pool for girls (if so, it should be at their expense).

    Jesus.
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    (Original post by hassassin04)
    The rule that children should be attending classes and they impose their views by pretty much requiring a separate swimming pool for girls.
    From what I read, the parents were fine with their daughters not doing swimming lessons at all.
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    If you walk into a secular institution such a school or university you abide by the rules of the nation state and not your individual religious beliefs leave them outside of the door.

    In fact Islam doesn't prevent such mixing if it unavoidable due to local rules or customs. In the Quran it is Halal for a Muslim to eat meat provided to them by a Christian or Jew (people of the book) even if hasn't been slaughtered in the Islamic way.

    If you wish to live in a secular state and enjoy the freedom this provides then suck it up and get on with it.
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    (Original post by RainbowMan)
    Lol, what are the basic tenets that are broken by allowing people to practice their religion freely? it's a basic tenet of liberal societies to allow people to wear whatever clothing offends you and belief in things which you don't like. That's the basic tenet here, not whether boys and girls should swim together.
    I think the basic tenet is that citizens should not reject one another in the course of the everyday business of public life. The basic tenet of Islam (as far as these parents are concerned), that contradicts this, is that the sexes should not mix outside the family. I think our society's norms come before superstitious beliefs: you can hold them but they will not be pandered to if they affect others.

    Practise your religion to your heart's desire behind closed doors, but be a normal part of society in public.
 
 
 
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