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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    hazzer1998 I protest at the misuse of the word 'logical' and whilst I don't think there should ever be any emphasis on a well designed manifesto (the Speaker should not be whoever is most proficient at photoshop) but it is a real shame that you don't seem to have put any thought into writing properly. However of the ideas presented, yours are the ones I think are the best - making a new thread for announcements sounds worse than having the announcement system we currently have though.

    adam9317 Compelling manifesto.

    PetrosAC Because of what you said about the wikia, it will be very difficult to vote for you even though I want to. I'm looking for a continuity candidate - why must you always focus on vanity projects. Though voting for you is probably the only way another Liberal will get the chance to lead your party I can't say I'm optimistic for the party's future without you.

    Aph Have successive defeats broken your spirit entirely?


    DanE1998 Good manifesto, just about enough effort put in to offset concerns about activity - and as I trust Toronto very much, I'm not too concerned about that anyway.


    Nigel Farage MEP Might actually end up voting for you for once seeing as I've recently agreed with you on most matters concerning the running of this House. It would mean the end of UKIP, which is always a plus.

    cBay :rofl:



    I know you all so I haven't bothered to ask non-rhetorical questions, bonus-points to whoever's bothered to take the initiative and answer the questions that I might want answered without knowing it. I hope to be convinced.
    I'll point you to a similar argument I made about the skype chat to Cranbrook (I think). It won't be encouraged - It will remain non-essential and optional. It'll just be made easier to access
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    I would accept a challenge on my capability to be Speaker but I interpret calling me biased as an insult about my ability to be professional. Using your preferred candidate as an example, we have seen cowering to Labour, and the Conservatives when in a coalition; a refusal to step up to save his party when the ed-Leader, and ex-Deputy Leader were missing for extended periods of time; and a leader willing to throw his party under the bus to fulfil his desire to be Speaker.
    He's by no means throwing us under the bus, we have a solid membership with more active members than MPs, plenty of experienced members that could take over as leader, and with a solid number of seats to push on into the next parliament.

    As for the "cowering" as you describe it; I'd call it pragmatism, he can't openly oppose everything the coalition partner proposes or the coalition would just collapse, I'd rather, for example let Labour nationalise the railways in exchange for them supporting a lower rate of income tax for the middle bracket.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    I'm actually considering Nigel because his dedication to this place and indeed lack of life out there is difficult to beat, however at the same time I don't want to contribute to his addiction and I'm not sure if I want to be partly responsible for fuelling his obsession…

    DanE1998's manifesto seems decent enough but the trouble is I can't associate him with any personality traits whatsoever. Perhaps that's a good thing considering the need for an unbiased and neutral figure.

    Aph, cBay and hazzer are obviously not viable options, and I'm a bit disappointed that our rather freshly elected deputy leader has chosen to attempt for yet another promotion so soon, but I'm not ruling that option out yet. I just tend to put loyalty to the party above personal goals.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I'll point you to a similar argument I made about the skype chat to Cranbrook (I think). It won't be encouraged - It will remain non-essential and optional. It'll just be made easier to access
    Another way of saying encouraged, no? Indeed publicising it in your manifesto and thus legitimising it is also something I was not pleased to see.

    To convince me to vote for you I'd say this isn't the topic you want to pursue.
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    He's by no means throwing us under the bus, we have a solid membership with more active members than MPs, plenty of experienced members that could take over as leader, and with a solid number of seats to push on into the next parliament.

    As for the "cowering" as you describe it; I'd call it pragmatism, he can't openly oppose everything the coalition partner proposes or the coalition would just collapse, I'd rather, for example let Labour nationalise the railways in exchange for them supporting a lower rate of income tax for the middle bracket.
    We should talk.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    I am guessing out of the six, Adam, and Petros are the two candidates he is referring to in his last sentence.
    You, Adam and Petros are in the top three. I'll leave the guessing of who goes where for everyone if they wish.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    We should talk.
    We would, if I had any power in the liberal party whatsoever, as it stands I'm a humble backbencher, I live to serve.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    We would, if I had any power in the liberal party whatsoever, as it stands I'm a humble backbencher, I live to serve.
    You never know what'll happen if Petros ascends to the big chair.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Another way of saying encouraged, no? Indeed publicising it in your manifesto and thus legitimising it is also something I was not pleased to see.

    To convince me to vote for you I'd say this isn't the topic you want to pursue.
    I'm afraid you'll be disappointed then. It is something nice and could become useful for newer members.

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    You, Adam and Petros are in the top three. I'll leave the guessing of who goes where for everyone if they wish.
    I've always aimed for meh
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I'm afraid you'll be disappointed then. It is something nice and could become useful for newer members.
    I meant you should be talking about other stuff to convince me rather than fixating on that nonsense.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    hazzer1998 I protest at the misuse of the word 'logical' and whilst I don't think there should ever be any emphasis on a well designed manifesto (the Speaker should not be whoever is most proficient at photoshop) but it is a real shame that you don't seem to have put any thought into writing properly. However of the ideas presented, yours are the ones I think are the best - making a new thread for announcements sounds worse than having the announcement system we currently have though.

    adam9317 Compelling manifesto.

    PetrosAC Because of what you said about the wikia, it will be very difficult to vote for you even though I want to. I'm looking for a continuity candidate - why must you always focus on vanity projects. Though voting for you is probably the only way another Liberal will get the chance to lead your party I can't say I'm optimistic for the party's future without you.

    Aph Have successive defeats broken your spirit entirely?


    DanE1998 Good manifesto, just about enough effort put in to offset concerns about activity - and as I trust Toronto very much, I'm not too concerned about that anyway.


    Nigel Farage MEP Might actually end up voting for you for once seeing as I've recently agreed with you on most matters concerning the running of this House. It would mean the end of UKIP, which is always a plus.

    cBay :rofl:



    I know you all so I haven't bothered to ask non-rhetorical questions, bonus-points to whoever's bothered to take the initiative and answer the questions that I might want answered without knowing it. I hope to be convinced.
    Is that not a reason to vote for petros then? You would get a good speaker and kill part of the opposition
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Is that not a reason to vote for petros then? You would get a good speaker and kill part of the opposition
    I do not believe that the party will be 'killed' without him. Even if I did, I do not wish to see the Liberals 'killed' - you'll notice that time and time again I have pursued coalition with the Liberals even when I had other options. And the Tories are the Opposition, my government should be looking to the non-Tory parties for support.

    Rather, I am concerned that without Petros the voice of the right-wing of your party will become overwhelmingly loud. And how could that be a good thing for a government of socialists?
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I meant you should be talking about other stuff to convince me rather than fixating on that nonsense.
    Ohhhhh

    I think I'm the most stable candidate in terms of continuity. I want to add a rolling review and talk to Leaders about things they think could potentially be changed and that's pretty much it
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I'll point you to a similar argument I made about the skype chat to Cranbrook (I think). It won't be encouraged - It will remain non-essential and optional. It'll just be made easier to access
    So if you aren't encouraging its use and development (even if you did it would just be a select few members in a circle jerk) then what was the point in putting it in?
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I do not believe that the party will be 'killed' without him. Even if I did, I do not wish to see the Liberals 'killed' - you'll notice that time and time again I have pursued coalition with the Liberals even when I had other options. And the Tories are the Opposition, my government should be looking to the non-Tory parties for support.

    Rather, I am concerned that without Petros the voice of the right-wing of your party will become overwhelmingly loud. And how could that be a good thing for a government of socialists?
    I speak on behalf of the fellow members of the right of the liberals in saying that we would maintain Petros' history of pragmatism, I personally wouldn't rule out a coalition with labour if the coalition deal was amenable.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I know you all so I haven't bothered to ask non-rhetorical questions, bonus-points to whoever's bothered to take the initiative and answer the questions that I might want answered without knowing it. I hope to be convinced.
    Good question, I think the other candidates feel they need to add some competition to stop me having a clear run, that is why they are standing against me when they know I am suited to the job. I was thinking, if it was busier than expected I could do a part-time masters next year to allow me to spend more time on TSR, or I could take an extended study break.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I do not believe that the party will be 'killed' without him. Even if I did, I do not wish to see the Liberals 'killed' - you'll notice that time and time again I have pursued coalition with the Liberals even when I had other options. And the Tories are the Opposition, my government should be looking to the non-Tory parties for support.

    Rather, I am concerned that without Petros the voice of the right-wing of your party will become overwhelmingly loud. And how could that be a good thing for a government of socialists?
    I disagree that the right wing of the party would become overwhelmingly loud, what would likely happen is that there would be a few days while we vote for a new leader and then everyone will get behind the leader, I'm pretty sure the next leader would be and they are to the left of the party, which would help you in your fight against the Tories
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    Nigel Farage MEP for Speaker.
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    There are 3 of you that stand out to me as serious candidates.

    Petros, please can you elaborate on how you'll keep the CC alive?

    Nigel, you would make a good speaker, if you can provide neutral arguments. Can you?

    Adam, I'll ask you the same as Petros
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So if you aren't encouraging its use and development (even if you did it would just be a select few members in a circle jerk) then what was the point in putting it in?
    Because it should be properly made available for members to use if they wish to


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