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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    There are many Sanders fans whose hatred of Clinton is seeing them take the most preposterously pro-Putin positions and desperately attempting to deny that Russia hacked the DNC. Just like it's not surprising that Julian Assange is extremely defensive about the Russian hacking issue even though he's not right-wing. And just like it's not surprising that hard-left individuals love the Russian state even though Putin is a fascist. We're not surprised by that anymore; horseshoe theory of politics is correct.

    So your comment doesn't serve to innoculate you from ridicule if you join in the increasingly desperate attempts to deny that the Russians hacked the DNC, that this report exists, etc.
    There's something about being given media access that makes people go weak at the knees and lose their marbles. (Too many mixed metaphors?) RT handed Assange a satellite TV microphone and now he won't bite the hand that provides it under any circumstances.

    There's also the gullbility factor to make one boggle slightly - RT isn't even particularly skilled as propaganda, it's way too obvious - Fox do a better job, as do Chinese TV - yet it's apparently sufficient to overwhelm many a Trot and turn them into tools of the Kremlin. Makes one wonder how bad things would get if they were actually good at it.
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    :lol: Even I knew about this report before the election.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...e-donald-trump

    It was reported, in fact I think I even created a thread about it. The fact that President Obama didn't make a big deal about it before the election is because the Republicans shrieked "murder" and claimed it would be an unforgivable partisan act. The fact this is only really being ventilated now serves to support it, not denigate it.

    In any case, I have just completely discredited you by showing it existed before the election. Tbh, I find hard-left / far-right pro-Russian, anti-Western anti-semitic conspiracy nuts tiresome, so I'm going to add you to my block lost.
    For somebody who thinks that they are so intelligent you have actually discredited this information even more. If there was even an ounce of truth in this everyone who hates Trump would have pounced on this. Why was it not plastered all over the media? Why was it not all over CNN and Fox? Why did Clinton not use it? The simple answer is that in reality they know its bulls***t. It has to be fabricated or the scummy Democrats would have used it as they have no morals!

    Seems like you hatred for Trump is very much clouding your judgement.
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    (Original post by Hydeman)

    Indeed it was. But FoS's position on that was that the media had unfairly demonised Clinton and sought to portray her as a silly old woman. The fact that so much airtime was devoted to it didn't seem to make that accusation more convincing in her mind, so why should this be an exception? You can't have it both ways - the U.S. media is either corrupt and unscrupulous, or it's not.


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    I havent asked to have it both ways.
    Its a bit simplistic to view the US media as a single entity.


    The bit you cant have both ways is seek to speculate when its in your favour and scream murder when it is not. That makes you a hypocrite.

    Notwithstanding pizzagate, the 30'000 e- mails claim and this are all slightly different. Its really about specualtion and presenting it as truth.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    There's something about being given media access that makes people go weak at the knees and lose their marbles. (Too many mixed metaphors?) RT handed Assange a satellite TV microphone and now he won't bite the hand that provides it under any circumstances.

    There's also the gullbility factor to make one boggle slightly - RT isn't even particularly skilled as propaganda, it's way too obvious - Fox do a better job, as do Chinese TV - yet it's apparently sufficient to overwhelm many a Trot and turn them into tools of the Kremlin. Makes one wonder how bad things would get if they were actually good at it.
    Ignoring the Neo-Nazis who like Russia for other (if somewhat ignorant given how Asiatic and Muslim Russia is) reasons, many people on the left are happy to use Russian media outlets to give themselves a combined perspective and because they don't feel they should dutifully support progressive hawks and NeoCons in the West simply because they're the ''least worst option'' when you put them up against Putin, because that's an awful reason to support anything. Hey at least I'm not the other guy.
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    i dunno, if even buzzfeed are not standing up to this piece then that doesn't ode well for its veracity.

    The best argument in favour of its being true is "the source was respected while he was working another job".

    The counter argument is that theres no evidence, and the report contains factual errors.

    I think anyone claiming that this is more likely true than false should really address their cognitive biases.
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      (Original post by 999tigger)
      I havent asked to have it both ways.
      Its a bit simplistic to view the US media as a single entity.
      I know you haven't. I was replying to FoS initially, so that remark was about her. The 'you' wasn't referring to you specifically.

      I'm aware that it's simplistic (even argued that on a thread we both posted on a few weeks ago) but FoS certainly believes it to be and I was addressing her to begin with, and it's handy shorthand, so...

      The bit you cant have both ways is seek to speculate when its in your favour and scream murder when it is not. That makes you a hypocrite.

      Notwithstanding pizzagate, the 30'000 e- mails claim and this are all slightly different. Its really about specualtion and presenting it as truth.
      As I've said in earlier posts, I'm no fan of Trump or Clinton. Obviously, I'm not one hundred percent objective, one hundred percent of the time - nobody is - but I certainly don't, as you say, speculate when it's in my favour and scream murder when it is not.

      I never understood the significance of the 30,000 emails figure anyway - to me it was just one of those random, meaningless numbers that U.S. presidential candidates throw at each other. Clinton's controversy was a great deal bigger than just that claim though.
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      (Original post by AlexanderHam)
      What other groups? Name them.

      By the way, if you're saying Islamist groups are bad, then presumably you abhor the involvement of Hezbollah and various Shi'a fascists fighting with the Syrian regime? Or do you find it impossible to be consistent?



      What you mean to say is that in one of the most vicious, insane conflicts of the last 100 years, a single crazed individual from a certain group may have beheaded a child. What does that signify in grand strategic terms? Nothing. It's an anecdote.

      And you don't seem to be too concerned about children being beheaded if you support Assad; hundreds of children will have had their heads blown off, literally, by Syrian Air Force bombs and Syrian Arab Army artillery.



      Nah, it wouldn't. The Russians aren't suicidal. They wouldn't start a nuclear war over Syria.
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michae..._10089410.html

      This group for starters.And no I mean to say that a group whom the USA vetted and called moderate beheaded a child.After this beheading the group released a statement saying it was a mistake.Yes mistakenly beheading a child.How silly of me? And as for Assad the west supports plenty of dictators why is Assad so special? Why is he suddenly evil incarnate? The USA is more than happy to support more extreme dictatorships like Saudi Arabia.Who by the way are actually supporting Isis and are currently engaged in blowing up Yemeni civilians.Why is Assad so bad but the Saudi Arabian are allies and freinds? They are basically Isis.And I think all Islamist groups are bad including Hezbollah but removing Assad will not help.All it will do is lead to rebel groups fighting each other.
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      The best thing about #watersportsgate is that even if it is, as it may well be, #fakenews is that it's just so appropriate given Trump's outragious sledging of just about everyone and anyone within range, along with his tenuous grasp of objective truth.
      Live by the sword, die by the sword.
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      (Original post by AlexanderHam)
      And for all the hysterical Trumptards running around shrieking "Fake news! 4chan!"., there's no evidence whatsoever for this except a screenshot from some random guy claiming that is the case.
      ...Nor is there evidence for the accusations in the paper?
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      (Original post by Hydeman)
      I know you haven't. I was replying to FoS initially, so that remark was about her. The 'you' wasn't referring to you specifically.

      I'm aware that it's simplistic (even argued that on a thread we both posted on a few weeks ago) but FoS certainly believes it to be and I was addressing her to begin with, and it's handy shorthand, so...



      As I've said in earlier posts, I'm no fan of Trump or Clinton. Obviously, I'm not one hundred percent objective, one hundred percent of the time - nobody is - but I certainly don't, as you say, speculate when it's in my favour and scream murder when it is not.

      I never understood the significance of the 30,000 emails figure anyway - to me it was just one of those random, meaningless numbers that U.S. presidential candidates throw at each other. Clinton's controversy was a great deal bigger than just that claim though.

      I now see what you me by F0S I thought it was soem accronym I was missing.... lol. Plenty of people did speculate on thos forum and pushed it, it amuses me to see the same ones now adopting a contrary position where it suits them.

      For me its quite easy to see what is speculation and what is verified. I find more interesting is the idea of people supporting an argument where it suits them.

      The 30k emails is the number estimated to have been deleted, which the FBI never got to see and had to repiece from elsewhere. Supposedly it showed her guilt by having them deleted (cover up), but alternatively they were always scheduled to be deleted as had been the practice in the past as part of the IT maintenance. 30k for those that like to speculate gave scope for more wrongdoing.

      Anyway thanks for explaining. I have a feeling we more or less agree.
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      (Original post by AlexanderHam)
      What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence
      [distant screams of disbelief and infuriation]
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      Very interesting document.

      It is amateurish,and not very convincing in lots of ways, but there is so much that was compromising already out there that it rings true even if embroidered. The details of the Obama bedwetting incident was inspired if invented, because it is exactly the sort of thing you could imagine him doing!

      I don't doubt that Putin and his secret service had some role in the US election, though. That much must be true.

      We are just not going to get to properly find out near term, that is the long and short of it. Those who think ill of Trump will believe it, those who voted for him will disbelieve. It won't lead to a fall in his popular support.

      Could he be impeached? It is certainly possible, but more would have to come out than this it seems to me. I won't be placing a bet on his impeachment at these odds, but wish I had got on earlier, before this hit the wires, when the odds were so much better.
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      (Original post by AlexanderHam)
      Absolutely stunning and explosive; the research report put together by a former British intelligence officer (there was also another report to the same effect drawn up by a former CIA officer) that determined Trump had been compromised by Russian intelligence was passed to the FBI and taken seriously enough to be included in the intelligence briefings he received on the Russia hacks.

      It is said that the FSB (Russian intelligence) has compromising evidence of "perverted sexual acts" he undertook while in Moscow attending a Miss Universe competition. Of course that is standard practice for intelligence services; all of them put bugs and cameras in the best hotels to acquire blackmail material on important people. Most rich people are not stupid enough to do anything they wouldn't want others to find out when they are staying in hotels overseas, and leave the sick **** for when they are on their private estates. If true, it seems that as usual Donnie had no self-control and just couldn't help himself.

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ussia-contacts

      Even more explosive, the FBI applied to the FISA court back in the summer for surveillance warrants against four members of the Trump campaign team to keep them under watch for relationships with Russian intelligence.

      This really provides the most logical explanation for why Trump didn't, when this stuff came out, simply say "I abhor the Russian hacking of the DNC. Even if they sought to help me, I didn't want their help. They shall pay for their presumption" and instead has acted like he has this big, red neon sign saying "Guilty! Guilty!" when he keeps desperately trying to undermine the intelligence agencies on the hacking questions, trying to divert attention to Chinese hacking, and praising Vladimir Putin even though this is electoral poison and completely regressive in policy terms.

      Trump is finished. Whether he lasts a week or a year, he's probably going to be impeached by his own party. In fact, if worse comes to worse the Russians might release the info they have on him themselves, as the worst case scenario for them is that the United States is massively embarrassed and discredited by having elected a Russian spy to the presidency. Their global prestige takes a massive hit, and Russia looks even more powerful, Putin looks even more the chessmaster (which he craves)

      Can't say we didn't warn these alt-right fools. Their lack of patriotism and pro-Russian bootlicking knows no bounds.
      *Trump announces he's going to run for the Republican nomination*
      Liberals: hahahahahaha lol he's never coming close to it
      *Trump gets nomination*
      Liberals: well, now we're sure to beat him
      *Trump says he's concerned about media rigging*
      Liberals: Just accept the result
      *Trump WINS*
      Liberals: wah wah wah Russian hacking ow ow ow Putin wah alt right wah way way he cheated
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      You liberal simple minds just won't get tired of posting these wild made-up accusations based on unreliable claims, will you? I don't even care, enjoy your losing streak. :borat:
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      (Original post by AlexanderHam)

      Err, 4chan is a forum, not a group.
      So a forum isn't a group of people now? I may of let this slide, but this is the 2nd time you've said that.

      Wouldn't you say that TSR is a forum of people? The same kind of logic extends to 4Chan, no matter how you feel about it as a website personally.
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      (Original post by biglad2k16)
      *Trump announces he's going to run for the Republican nomination*
      Liberals: hahahahahaha lol he's never coming close to it
      *Trump gets nomination*
      Liberals: well, now we're sure to beat him
      *Trump says he's concerned about media rigging*
      Liberals: Just accept the result
      *Trump WINS*
      Liberals: wah wah wah Russian hacking ow ow ow Putin wah alt right wah way way he cheated
      prsom :lol:
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      (Original post by Aria Enoshima)
      So a forum isn't a group of people now? I may of let this slide, but this is the 2nd time you've said that.

      Wouldn't you say that TSR is a forum of people? The same kind of logic extends to 4Chan, no matter how you feel about it as a website personally.
      4Chan is a 400lb Russian hacker
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      (Original post by nutz99)
      For somebody who thinks that they are so intelligent you have actually discredited this information even more. If there was even an ounce of truth in this everyone who hates Trump would have pounced on this. Why was it not plastered all over the media? Why was it not all over CNN and Fox? Why did Clinton not use it? The simple answer is that in reality they know its bulls***t. It has to be fabricated or the scummy Democrats would have used it as they have no morals!

      Seems like you hatred for Trump is very much clouding your judgement.
      So basically you're saying that since the Democrats didn't use it it must be fake, because they would never use false information, and the fact that they're using it now clearly proves that they're using false information.
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      'Today on TSR'

      This thread is labelled as 'Trump Sex Scandal!'

      um
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      (Original post by AlexanderHam)
      There are many Sanders fans whose hatred of Clinton is seeing them take the most preposterously pro-Putin positions and desperately attempting to deny that Russia hacked the DNC.
      Nothing preposterous about deluded socialists being enamoured with a sinister Russian dictator. It's pretty standard fare.
     
     
     
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