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A171 – MP Dupe Checking Amendment Watch

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    A171 – MP Dupe Checking Amendment
    Proposed by: mobbsy91 MP (Con)
    Seconded by: adam9317 MP (Con), CoffeeGeek MP (Con), JoeL1994 MP (Lab), Quamquam123 MP (Lab), SoggyCabbages MP (Lab)

    MP Dupe Checking Amendment

    The following will be added to the MP Section in the Guidance Document:
    13) All MPs, including proxies, must have a dupe check carried out, either by the Speaker or the relevant Party Leader. If the Party Leader has already carried out a dupe check prior to the member becoming an MP, no further checks are necessary.
    14) If the MP or proxy has had no prior check, the check should be requested immediately when they are announced as MP or proxying, and the MP or proxy can fulfil their duties whilst awaiting the check to be completed. If the check comes back with a match to any other member of the MHoC, then normal appropriate action will be taken.
    15) Any Party Leader can ask the Speaker to investigate whether an MP has had a dupe check carried out.
    16) The Speaker should make a spreadsheet showing which members have been dupe checked, and the date of completion, viewable to the MHoC.

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    At the moment there is no requirement for Party Leaders to dupe check members joining their Party, and also no requirements on any members becoming MPs. This amendment brings into effect that anyone becoming an MP or a proxy must have a dupe check carried out, at some point during their time in the MHoC. Please note that this amendment does allow members to be an MP or proxy whilst the check is being carried out.

    The spreadsheet recording which members have been checked and when would be started from the passing of this amendment, with no need to be done retrospectively.
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    Wasn't this tried and clearly rejected last term? This creates unnecessary bureaucracy and it's a shame that anybody under the Conservative name would second it, let alone propose it.
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    This amendment is pointless and tbh most party leaders do a dupe check before accepting them in their party. So don't see the point of this tbf.

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    I am not against having MPs checked, however, I do not like the hassle of the Speaker needing to create a spreadsheet to monitor everything.
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    Unnecessary.
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    Why? Dupes are so 2016…
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    Completely agreed with the above... this seems to be pointless. Most party leaders perform dupe checks before admitting people to their party. There's no need to add even more responsibilities to the Speaker's growing list...
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    If mobbsy91 wishes to get all his MPs to be checked and keep a record of it, he can, I see no reason at all why this should be extended beyond any particular party, and certainly not why it should be the remit of the speaker, do we have any even approximate stats on how many unique MPs there have been so far this term alone for reference Saracen's Fez?
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    Yet again another example of trying to pin everything down that moves in this House - just let the system work as it has done before and stop creating pointless bureaucracy.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    If mobbsy91 wishes to get all his MPs to be checked and keep a record of it, he can, I see no reason at all why this should be extended beyond any particular party, and certainly not why it should be the remit of the speaker, do we have any even approximate stats on how many unique MPs there have been so far this term alone for reference Saracen's Fez?
    59 permanent MPs so far this term, I don't have a record for proxies.
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    Most pointless amendment proposal of 2017?
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    Aye, providing something is added permitting proxies to add postal votes before being dupe checked.
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    Aye, it doesn't matter what the current dynamics are, it would be better to ensure every party has the same policy on this going forward.
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    To the main criticism of this, I don't see this as pointless. The point that's made about Party Leaders normally doing dupe checks shows that this would not massively be used, except in the circumstances that the leader does not. It just ensures that Parties don't slip extra members into their ranks, and just gives that extra layer of confidence in all the MPs.

    In terms of additional work for the Speaker, were the final bit removed about keeping a spreadsheet, then the extra effort would be minimal, and only required on the odd occasion. The final point was only added as then it's much easier to see whether someone's been checked or not...

    Also note, this has nothing to do with members, but MPs, which is not something which is only a matter of Parties, as MPs represent the House as a whole.

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    Aye, providing something is added permitting proxies to add postal votes before being dupe checked.
    Number 14: they can do their MP duties whilst the check happens...
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    But it's 2017 already, hello!
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    But it's 2017 already, hello!
    ****, I knew I'd missed some kind of big event happening!
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    Number 14: they can do their MP duties whilst the check happens...
    I would prefer it if this were rephrased as 'they can act as though an MP while the check happens'.
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    (Original post by toronto353)
    Yet again another example of trying to pin everything down that moves in this House - just let the system work as it has done before and stop creating pointless bureaucracy.
    I agree completely.
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    Aye because this closes the loophole where an indie can get a seat without a dupe check.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    Aye because this closes the loophole where an indie can get a seat without a dupe check.
    I would question the description of it as a loophole. The reason that parties (at least initially – perhaps this has changed now) have dupe-checked joining members is to stop them leaking information from their subforums and to ensure other parties cannot put a dupe into their subforum and spy on them. As an independent MP isn't allowed to join a party and remain an independent MP this does not apply.

    Basically, party MPs are dupe-checked, but that's to do with the party bit not the MP bit. The MP bit is just coincidence – associating dupe-checking with becoming an MP is a totally new idea in terms of codified rules.
 
 
 
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