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A171 – MP Dupe Checking Amendment watch

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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    I would question the description of it as a loophole. The reason that parties (at least initially – perhaps this has changed now) have dupe-checked joining members is to stop them leaking information from their subforums and to ensure other parties cannot put a dupe into their subforum and spy on them. As an independent MP isn't allowed to join a party and remain an independent MP this does not apply.

    Basically, party MPs are dupe-checked, but that's to do with the party bit not the MP bit. The MP bit is just coincidence – associating dupe-checking with becoming an MP is a totally new idea in terms of codified rules.
    What that doesn't address though is that if someone is an MP within a Party, and they then under a different account, stand as an indie, there is no check made on the indie, and therefore, it could be a duplicate account.
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    I would question the description of it as a loophole. The reason that parties (at least initially – perhaps this has changed now) have dupe-checked joining members is to stop them leaking information from their subforums and to ensure other parties cannot put a dupe into their subforum and spy on them. As an independent MP isn't allowed to join a party and remain an independent MP this does not apply.

    Basically, party MPs are dupe-checked, but that's to do with the party bit not the MP bit. The MP bit is just coincidence – associating dupe-checking with becoming an MP is a totally new idea in terms of codified rules.
    Don't forget that between back channel communications, the Skype chat, and the wikia sub's aren't safe, especially for a certain party

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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    What that doesn't address though is that if someone is an MP within a Party, and they then under a different account, stand as an indie, there is no check made on the indie, and therefore, it could be a duplicate account.
    Is it the case currently that a dupe check can ONLY be performed on a person in or looking to join a party.

    There is also a critical flaw: supposing I had a dupe in a party I would not be having it as an MP, it would be there to sit and listen, and I would probably be able to get around the check, at least for one or two dupes anyway. Your what if relies on the perpetrator being an idiot, but then again the idiocy of criminals tends to be our best defence against them.

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    nay, don't think this bureaucratic process is necessary
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    Having seen the arguments, I'm not so sure about this now.
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    I would question the description of it as a loophole. The reason that parties (at least initially – perhaps this has changed now) have dupe-checked joining members is to stop them leaking information from their subforums and to ensure other parties cannot put a dupe into their subforum and spy on them. As an independent MP isn't allowed to join a party and remain an independent MP this does not apply.

    Basically, party MPs are dupe-checked, but that's to do with the party bit not the MP bit. The MP bit is just coincidence – associating dupe-checking with becoming an MP is a totally new idea in terms of codified rules.
    I realise that, but I'm thinking about members who have already been banned - if TheBigMan2 had been a little craftier, for example, he'd now have a seat.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Is it the case currently that a dupe check can ONLY be performed on a person in or looking to join a party.

    There is also a critical flaw: supposing I had a dupe in a party I would not be having it as an MP, it would be there to sit and listen, and I would probably be able to get around the check, at least for one or two dupes anyway. Your what if relies on the perpetrator being an idiot, but then again the idiocy of criminals tends to be our best defence against them.

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    I'm not really sure, but I don't see why we wouldn't be allowed for MPs given it's an integral part of the game...

    Haha yes, but depends what the persons end goal is... just look at the GP scandal.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Is it the case currently that a dupe check can ONLY be performed on a person in or looking to join a party.

    There is also a critical flaw: supposing I had a dupe in a party I would not be having it as an MP, it would be there to sit and listen, and I would probably be able to get around the check, at least for one or two dupes anyway. Your what if relies on the perpetrator being an idiot, but then again the idiocy of criminals tends to be our best defence against them.

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    I agree with your points, however, the motivation for this amendment is not catching spies, the motivation is to stop party leaders creating accounts to fill MP seats which is what the seconders suspect UU of doing. The amendment was planned on Skype after a brief conversation over party leaders appointing inexperienced users as MPs.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    I agree with your points, however, the motivation for this amendment is not catching spies, the motivation is to stop party leaders creating accounts to fill MP seats which is what the seconders suspect UU of doing. The amendment was planned on Skype after a brief conversation over party leaders appointing inexperienced users as MPs.
    Surely the better solution is for a general uncodified liberalisation so such members can be checked even if the party in question objects.

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    Since Labour, the Liberals and the Kippers do have lots of odd members as MP's from time to time i do see the benefit from a Tory prospective of self interest.

    At the same time though, this unnecessary bureaucracy. If party leaders are too stupid not to dupe check people when they should be ridiculed and sacked by their own membership.

    I'll abstain, mainly out of deference to Mobbsy.
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    I think I'll have to abstain on this one. I don't have an issue w/ this, apart from the fact that this is adding to the Speaker's workload. New members are dupe checked when they join a party, so I do think this may be quite pointless
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    I'll likely vote nay as I do see it as unneeded, and simply creating work for the speaker for the sake of work to be done. If there is a legitimate concern I do believe the Speaker and party leaders should act on that concern, but otherwise I don't see the issue.
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