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    (Original post by AOG1)
    OK I get that having the option is nice to have, and it is easy... But for me that is a huge concern. If any UK citizen can live in Europe I would first of argue is discriminatory against non-EU persons, as any old bloke from UK could move to Spain, but a professional from Asia or Africa has less rights, fair?
    Secondly the agreement is reciprocal, a simple points based immigration system will significantly reduce crime and terror as we can deny access for bad people from EU countries, common sense if you ask me?
    Your first point is interesting but remember, a person from Asia or Africa or another continent won't have free movement between EU countries regardless of whether or not EU citizens have it. I agree it's not necessarily fair or ideal for only some people to have free movement and not others but letting EU citizens have free movement is hardly a breach on others' rights if they're not any worse off than they were before. Personally I'd love a unified world and freedom of movement for all but that's not going to happen immediately and probably won't happen in my lifetime either.

    I think you're right that terror crimes could be reduced by a points based system, and higher chances of terrorism is the price that a country needs to pay if it goes with the EU free movement strategy. I do believe though that in the UK at least, our excellent security service is one of the reasons we have had no major terror attacks since Isis emerged. Incompetent security and especially lack of communication between authorities have been behind many major terror attacks this century, notably the 9/11 attacks and the massacre at a Belgian airport more recently. If the EU were to become more politically united, I believe that terror attacks would become less frequent as there would be more communication between the intelligence agencies - particularly between EU border countries and Central European countries, where most terror attacks seem to be aimed at. For now though as the EU stands, it is almost certain that free movement will lead to higher rates of terrorism, so you are right to be sceptical of it.
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    (Original post by ThePricklyOne)
    Huh, you like that phrase don't ya? Democracy - not.

    The Referendum is not binding on the will of Parliament, but it doesn't stop certain folks from trying to 'fix it' (in a Jimmy Savile kinda way - i.e. rape the nation and claim it consented to sex).
    i like the word democracy,indeed i do.

    Jimmy Savile?

    Time to go to your safe space i think.
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    I'm surprised no one has emphasised no one has emphasised the benefit to business. Being in the EU means that businesses only need to apply one set of rules to trade anywhere in the EU. It also extends to useful functions like trademarks etc. Once we are out of the EU businesses will have to register in the UK and EU. The cost of businesses will also rises as UK rules on trade diverge from EU rules.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    I'm surprised no one has emphasised no one has emphasised the benefit to business. Being in the EU means that businesses only need to apply one set of rules to trade anywhere in the EU. It also extends to useful functions like trademarks etc. Once we are out of the EU businesses will have to register in the UK and EU. The cost of businesses will also rises as UK rules on trade diverge from EU rules.
    Exactly, look how hard it is for China to sell its products in the EU..............
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    Actual reasons;

    Easier to travel
    Easier to exchange goods in the single market
    Easier to study abroad
    Easier to get jobs in the EU
    Easier to move to the EU
    Easier to get healthcare in EU countries when on holiday

    Loads of reasons but these are the big ones.
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    (Original post by ThePricklyOne)
    Evidence is there. You can't be arsed to find it, but you'd believe the fake sh*t spawned by the Brextemists. Like the one about the NHS getting £350mil per week. I'd still like to know the answer to that one.

    1) Funding for poorer areas: a lot of Brexit places (Cornwall, Wales, Yorkshire etc) receive huge EU funding yet stupidly voted to Brexit. Good luck on getting the London-centric Tories to take over funding post-Brexit. If they didn't fund you guys before the EU stepped in, why d'you think they would when we Brexit?

    2) The immigrants. Leaving the EU will not stop immigration from Syria and Ethiopia, Afghanistan etc.....becoz they're NOT in the EU. Also when we leave all the agreements with EU ends -- especially Le Torquet with France. That means the immigrants currently holed up in refuges in France, Germany, Spain, Italy will be allowed to travel to UK. We'll be getting more immigration, not less. Also if we deport unskilled foreigners will the English get off their butts to do the menial jobs currently done by foreigners - I think not. So these jobs will need to moved abroad as well.

    3) Free movement: the free movement of peoples allows skilled staff to come to UK to do specialist jobs. Brexit will send these folks back to Germany etc. who wants them back anyway. Whereas we will be left with skilled jobs without a skilled workforce to do them. Firms will find it easier to move these jobs abroad as well, depriving UK of much needed taxes. London will be worst hit, but it is by no means the only place in UK to be in trouble when we brexit. Ditto scientific research - we will lose funding as well as people without the EU.

    3) Travel: currently UK citizens travelling to EU are treated as citizens of the countries they travel to. Say if I go to France I can use their hospitals (w/o taking out holiday insurance), schools, unis as one of them. If I break the law I'm protected by EU law and will be treated the same as them.

    4) Residency: moving to another country permanently. I can do this anywhere in EU without losing my UK passport. Brilliant idea! Post-brexit I will have no rights of residence or same legal rights as locals unless I apply for citizenship. Then I'll lose my UK passport. If I then want to move somewhere else, I must start the whole process again.

    5) Education: UK students can study in any university in Europe, with their A levels treated the same as qualifications in EU countries. Some uni courses are even free (great if your parents are as skint like mine).

    6) Politics: we are stronger in EU than outside. Unless you want to prove me wrong by picking a fight with Russia. We can't even stop one Russian boat illegally crossing our waters, can we honestly tell the whole country to f*ck off? Don't tell me the US will look after us - the US will look after no. 1 (guess who that is), and leave us high and dry. The fact is, the UK is no longer the powerful empire of 1870, and US will be more interested in a relationship with countries that are powerful, more affluent, and influential than us - like China, Russia, India, and..................the EU.

    7) Laws: when we leave we won't be able to influence how the EU make its laws and negotiate stuff in our favour, like that Le Torquet treaty.
    Some of these are non reasons.
    1) Where do you think funding for the EU comes from? The UK is the second largest contributor behind Germany.
    2) It won't stop migration from non EU countries yes, but there are non EU laws preventing dumping illegal migrants on our borders, you don't need to be in the EU to do this.
    3) Kind of agree, but the assumption that there are no skilled workers to replace them in the UK is interesting, why is this? Perhaps we need to invest in better training?
    4) Agreed
    5) Agreed
    6) I agree we would have a stronger army inside the EU, but the British Army and Royal Navy are still pretty good, arguably the EU itself would have a hard time with Russia as it is, which is why we have the US backed NATO. No one is suggesting we leave NATO?
    7) This is a good point. Why should people who don't live in the country legislate for it? They never feel the effects of their policies.
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    (Original post by TheExtrovertGod)
    Some of these are non reasons.
    1) Where do you think funding for the EU comes from? The UK is the second largest contributor behind Germany.
    2) It won't stop migration from non EU countries yes, but there are non EU laws preventing dumping illegal migrants on our borders, you don't need to be in the EU to do this.
    3) Kind of agree, but the assumption that there are no skilled workers to replace them in the UK is interesting, why is this? Perhaps we need to invest in better training?
    4) Agreed
    5) Agreed
    6) I agree we would have a stronger army inside the EU, but the British Army and Royal Navy are still pretty good, arguably the EU itself would have a hard time with Russia as it is, which is why we have the US backed NATO. No one is suggesting we leave NATO?
    7) This is a good point. Why should people who don't live in the country legislate for it? They never feel the effects of their policies.
    Relating to number 3 it's not an assumption when it comes to engineering, there simply aren't the people here to do the jobs.

    http://www.visabureau.com/uk/shortag...ions-list.aspx

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc...s/amp/36783460
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    (Original post by joe cooley)
    Exactly, look how hard it is for China to sell its products in the EU..............
    I was thinking more of UK business selling to the EU. And for comparison, Have you tried selling into China?

    Before the EU came along businesses had to abide by different rules for each country. Nightmare!
 
 
 
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