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    (Original post by ByronicHero)
    They originally changed from the LibDems to the Liberals in an attempt to differentiate themselves from RL. I have continued calling them LibDems pretty much the entire time since then so obviously wouldn't be opposed to them reverting.
    You wouldn't oppose it? I would - they are not Lib Dems (they used to be, whatever), but they aren't now. A rebrand wouldn't change their membership or their policies, it would simply be an attempt to pick up the Lib Dem vote on TSR. I would much rather someone establish a new and genuine Lib Dem party.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    You wouldn't oppose it? I would - they are not Lib Dems (they used to be, whatever), but they aren't now. A rebrand wouldn't change their membership or their policies, it would simply be an attempt to pick up the Lib Dem vote on TSR. I would much rather someone establish a new and genuine Lib Dem party.
    I think your average RL LibDem would still be happier in their party than any other, so I think it would be fine for them to change on that basis. We've never obligated parties here to mirror the policies of their RL counterparts so, while I am sure it would at least to some degree be political expedience on their part, I don't think it would be absent any fair reasoning.

    I get your objection, but the understanding has always been that parties are free to deviate as they see fit from counterpart policies. :dontknow:
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    (Original post by ByronicHero)
    I think your average RL LibDem would still be happier in their party than any other, so I think it would be fine for them to change on that basis. We've never obligated parties here to mirror the policies of their RL counterparts so, while I am sure it would at least to some degree be political expedience on their part, I don't think it would be absent any fair reasoning.

    I get your objection, but the understanding has always been that parties are free to deviate as they see fit from counterpart policies. :dontknow:
    Well I'm a RL LibDem voter and I think TSR Labour's policies are much more in keeping with RL Lib Dem policies than the Liberals . Yes, TSR parties have always deviated a little bit from their real-life counterparts, but most Liberal members don't think their party is akin to the Lib Dems, so we shouldn't let them use the Lib Dem brand to win votes.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    Well I'm a RL LibDem voter and I think TSR Labour's policies are much more in keeping with RL Lib Dem policies than the Liberals . Yes, TSR parties have always deviated a little bit from their real-life counterparts, but most Liberal members don't think their party is akin to the Lib Dems, so we shouldn't let them use the Lib Dem brand to win votes.
    TSR Labour is left wing. Real life Lib Dems are Centre-left and have been as far as centre right under Clegg. TSR Liberals are centrist. It's very clear to see who's closer.


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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    TSR Labour is left wing. Real life Lib Dems are Centre-left and have been as far as centre right under Clegg. TSR Liberals are centrist. It's very clear to see who's closer.


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    TSR Labour is mostly centre-left IMO. Lib Dems were never centre-right, even under Clegg. TSR Liberals are not centrist. :rofl:
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    TSR Labour is mostly centre-left IMO. Lib Dems were never centre-right, even under Clegg. TSR Liberals are not centrist. :rofl:
    Because Orange-Bookerism isn't Centre-Right?

    I think TSR Labour themselves would say they are a socialist, left-wing party, with some social democrats as opposed to a social Democratic Party.

    The TSR Liberals have consistently had a centrist policy platform


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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Because Orange-Bookerism isn't Centre-Right?

    I think TSR Labour themselves would say they are a socialist, left-wing party, with some social democrats as opposed to a social Democratic Party.

    The TSR Liberals have consistently had a centrist policy platform


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    The Lib Dems didn't become Orange Bookers en masse just because they got into bed with the Tories. The Lib Dems were not centre-right, Clegg was. Big difference.

    Not sure about that.

    Nah.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    The Lib Dems didn't become Orange Bookers en masse just because they got into bed with the Tories. The Lib Dems were not centre-right, Clegg was. Big difference.

    Not sure about that.

    Nah.
    I'm talking about policies, the manifesto, etc. The membership is irrelevant.

    We can agree to disagree on that.

    Great counter argument there. You really have me stumped


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    Having read the orange book, orange book liberalism is centrist at best. I think it's mostly out of unfamiliarity that people on the left of the lib Dems equate it with the center-right.
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    (Original post by Gladstone1885)
    Having read the orange book, orange book liberalism is centrist at best. I think it's mostly out of unfamiliarity that people on the left of the lib Dems equate it with the center-right.
    It vouches for economic liberalism quite a lot, being a merger between economic liberalism and social liberalism. It is somewhere between centrist and centre right imo


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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    It vouches for economic liberalism quite a lot, being a merger between economic liberalism and social liberalism. It is somewhere between centrist and centre right imo


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    Still it's difficult to say exactly what centrism and center right are since economic liberalism in many countries is considered centrist, owing to the political right being authoritarian and economically protectionist. Just further demonstrates the fallacy of the left right spectrum
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    (Original post by Gladstone1885)
    Having read the orange book, orange book liberalism is centrist at best. I think it's mostly out of unfamiliarity that people on the left of the lib Dems equate it with the center-right.
    I would not describe it as centrist in terms of UK politics. In the US (at the time it was written) I wouldn't be surprised if it'd be considered centre-left. That said, I have only read excerpts and what others have written about it.
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    (Original post by Gladstone1885)
    Still it's difficult to say exactly what centrism and center right are since economic liberalism in many countries is considered centrist, owing to the political right being authoritarian and economically protectionist. Just further demonstrates the fallacy of the left right spectrum
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    I would not describe it as centrist in terms of UK politics. In the US (at the time it was written) I wouldn't be surprised if it'd be considered centre-left. That said, I have only read excerpts and what others have written about it.
    I have always equated Orange Book LibDems with the centre-right. Admittedly I've not read it in many years, but in reference to where other political positions are broadly understood to sit on the spectrum in the UK, centre-right seems most accurate. Terms like 'centre-left' or 'far-right' are only useful if they are informative. Because they have become part of our cultural capital, they need to be used in a way that most people will engage with. Anyone who is in a position to argue whether the Orange Book is in X or Y position already understands the limitations of placing it anywhere. These broad designations aren't meant for us, IMO.
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    (Original post by ByronicHero)
    I have always equated Orange Book LibDems with the centre-right. Admittedly I've not read it in many years, but in reference to where other political positions are broadly understood to sit on the spectrum in the UK, centre-right seems most accurate. Terms like 'centre-left' or 'far-right' are only useful if they are informative. Because they have become part of our cultural capital, they need to be used in a way that most people will engage with. Anyone who is in a position to argue whether the Orange Book is in X or Y position already understands the limitations of placing it anywhere. These broad designations aren't meant for us, IMO.
    That's a very good point actually.
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    Upon formation, the first three confirmed positions will be thus:

    Leader of The Libertarian Party: ByronicHero
    Deputy Leader of The Libertarian Party: Gladstone1885
    Spokesperson for Defense & International Diplomacy: Connor27

    More appointments will follow as decided. We recognize that we do not yet exist, but have taken steps to ensure we hit the ground running. We do this despite the fact that hitting the ground with a loud thud and breaking all of our legs would still leave us able enough to outperform the rest of you.



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    (Original post by ByronicHero)






    Good people of TSR:



    Upon formation, the first three confirmed positions will be thus:

    Leader of The Libertarian Party: ByronicHero
    Deputy Leader of The Libertarian Party: Gladstone1885
    Spokesperson for Defense & International Diplomacy: Connor27

    More appointments will follow as decided. We recognize that we do not yet exist, but have taken steps to ensure we hit the ground running. We do this despite the fact that hitting the ground with a loud thud and breaking all of our legs would still leave us able enough to outperform the rest of you.



    Come at us





    A very good start with more to come!

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    (Original post by Connor27)
    A very good start with more to come!

    #FeeltheJohnson
    I think we have our campaign slogan right there.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    A very good start with more to come!

    #FeeltheJohnson
    As Spokesperson for Defense & International Diplomacy what would you do if you were elected about Aleppo?
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    As Spokesperson for Defense & International Diplomacy what would you do if you were elected about Aleppo?
    Is that ISIS? They can come and smoke some kush, then we'll all make peace man!

    *psst* hey ByronicHero, what's Aleppo?
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Is that ISIS? They can come and smoke some kush, then we'll all make peace man!

    *psst* hey ByronicHero, what's Aleppo?
    Another question to test how Johnson you are Who’s your favorite foreign leader?
 
 
 
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