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    (Original post by jape)
    That's a very narrow view of abortion. A fetus is more than a tumour to be excised or not at the convenience of the host organism. It is (to use someone elses phrase) a candidate member of the human race. The idea that the science is in and fetuses are somehow not alive and that killing them is the moral equivalent of picking your nose has no moral or factual grounding.

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    A problem is that people have vastly different ideas about when a human exactly qualifies as a human. (perhaps changing the suggested moral equivalent to the killing of an animal that isn't human, for some that hold this belief) For some, this is after birth, for some this is shortly after insemination, and for others it is a largely arbitrary milestone. (time or otherwise)
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    (Original post by _gcx)
    A problem is that people have vastly different ideas about when a human exactly qualifies as a human. (perhaps changing the suggested moral equivalent to the killing of an animal that isn't human, for some that hold this belief) For some, this is after birth, for some this is shortly after insemination, and for others it is a largely arbitrary milestone. (time or otherwise)
    Totally, and the discussion about when life begins is a discussion worth having. What I object to is the idea many people seem to have that there is no conversation to have, and that until it's fully outside the mother a baby for all intents and purposes might as well not even exist.
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    (Original post by jape)
    Totally, and the discussion about when life begins is a discussion worth having. What I object to is the idea many people seem to have that there is no conversation to have, and that until it's fully outside the mother a baby for all intents and purposes might as well not even exist.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    You should look up bodily autonomy, the reason that we can't harvest the organs of dead people.

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    We should 100% be able to harvest the organs of dead people though. The fact that the debate is between opt in and out rather than between opt out and the state owning your corpse is a farce.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    We should 100% be able to harvest the organs of dead people though. The fact that the debate is between opt in and out rather than between opt out and the state owning your corpse is a farce.
    Do you own your body?
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    Let's try again: should necrophilia be legalised and the age of consent significantly reduced, or abolished entirely?
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Do you own your body?
    No, don't be silly.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Let's try again: should necrophilia be legalised and the age of consent significantly reduced, or abolished entirely?
    I think there's been attempts on here to reduced the age of consent. Don't know how successful they were.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Let's try again: should necrophilia be legalised and the age of consent significantly reduced, or abolished entirely?
    This comes down to who, what and when can consent be given?

    Can a corpse give consent? I would say no but the argument in favour of legalising necrophilia is that it could be consented to before hand but that runs into the problem that just because consent has been given previously it does not mean that the consent lasts forever and it is because of that I lean towards it should not be legalised.

    What do you mean by significantly reduced? I could see an argument for it to be reduced 1/2 years and there could also be an argument to raise it but at the moment I could not give you a complete answer either way.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    This comes down to who, what and when can consent be given?

    Can a corpse give consent? I would say no but the argument in favour of legalising necrophilia is that it could be consented to before hand but that runs into the problem that just because consent has been given previously it does not mean that the consent lasts forever and it is because of that I lean towards it should not be legalised.

    What do you mean by significantly reduced? I could see an argument for it to be reduced 1/2 years and there could also be an argument to raise it but at the moment I could not give you a complete answer either way.
    Does a dildo give consent to to be used to pleasure people, or a condom to be used?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Does a dildo give consent to to be used to pleasure people, or a condom to be used?
    Are you arguing in favour of legalising necrophilia here? It seems like something ukip might like to use in their next manifesto.

    That is getting into whether a dead body is just an object or whether it is something different, I do not believe a body is merely an object.

    Seeing as you are so obsessed with necrophillia I can only assume that you want to indulge in it, there are states in the USA that I do not believe has any laws on the issue.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Are you arguing in favour of legalising necrophilia here? It seems like something ukip might like to use in their next manifesto.

    That is getting into whether a dead body is just an object or whether it is something different, I do not believe a body is merely an object.

    Seeing as you are so obsessed with necrophillia I can only assume that you want to indulge in it, there are states in the USA that I do not believe has any laws on the issue.
    I'm a bit busy establishing the incoherence/inconsistency
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    I'm a bit busy establishing the incoherence/inconsistency
    I believe people's rights don't just vanish after death just like I don't agree that people's rights just appear when they are born, it is not inconsistent
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Does a dildo give consent to to be used to pleasure people, or a condom to be used?
    I like to think it does
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Does a dildo give consent to to be used to pleasure people, or a condom to be used?
    Does oxygen give consent to be inhaled?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Let's try again: should necrophilia be legalised and the age of consent significantly reduced, or abolished entirely?
    I will have to think about the first, because I'm a bit divided on the issue. To the latter, I don't see why it couldn't be reduced to 15 (potentially 14), but I would definitely review the quality of sexual education beforehand. With effective sexual education, the age of consent can be, in my opinion, lowered safely. I would not abolish it due to definite concerns about exploitation of minors.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    I believe people's rights don't just vanish after death just like I don't agree that people's rights just appear when they are born, it is not inconsistent
    Curious, what rights do you believe that a deceased individual should have?
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    Views on human cloning? :holmes:
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    (Original post by mr T 999)
    Views on human cloning? :holmes:
    There's nothing wrong with it; people can do what they want with their own bodies.
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    (Original post by mr T 999)
    Views on human cloning? :holmes:
    For what use?
 
 
 
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