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    (Original post by ByronicHero)
    I'd throw it all away for one dance under the resplendent moon :moon:
    That's still a no.
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    That's still a no.
    Tease.
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    (Original post by ByronicHero)
    Tease.
    Perhaps. Who knows?
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    I'd have voted for him.

    You joining me? We were there in the good ol' days.
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    Perhaps. Who knows?
    We do.
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    Libertarian test: From and moral standpoint, is taxation theft? Yes or No
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    (Original post by heri2rs)
    Libertarian test: From and moral standpoint, is taxation theft? Yes or No
    Many libertarians would say yes, with various justifications. It is important to note, though, that even if we begin with the premise that taxation is immoral, the conclusion is not to instantly remove it. This is because the expected outcome would be horrendous without proper transitional control. It isn't pragmatic or realistic to attempt to remove taxation even if it was desirable, so the sensible thing to do is reduce its effect on citizens, and their ability to otherwise exercise their rights.

    I assume this isn't what you were looking for - but if you want to join let me know
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    (Original post by ByronicHero)
    My good woman you are of a most superior intellect, your bearing that of the very gods themselves.

    Can I list you as someone who will join :ninja:
    Unlikely due to the fact my political views aren't exactly - compatible.

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    Unlikely due to the fact my political views aren't exactly - compatible.

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    Okay no worries. You can be an honorary Liber. :awesome:
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    I'm in for duel membership but I wouldn't leave the Libs unless this really got off the ground
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    (Original post by ByronicHero)
    Many libertarians would say yes, with various justifications. It is important to note, though, that even if we begin with the premise that taxation is immoral, the conclusion is not to instantly remove it. This is because the expected outcome would be horrendous without proper transitional control. It isn't pragmatic or realistic to attempt to remove taxation even if it was desirable, so the sensible thing to do is reduce its effect on citizens, and their ability to otherwise exercise their rights.

    I assume this isn't what you were looking for - but if you want to join let me know
    Fair enough. I'm a libertarian/paleoconservative and I would join, but I'm convinced that many libertarians on the internet are just clinically depressed teens who want to smoke weed and stop the government delving into their browsing history, rather than defenders of the free market and propertarianism (I'm sure that's a word).
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    (Original post by Gladstone1885)
    I'm in for duel membership but I wouldn't leave the Libs unless this really got off the ground
    ByronicHero


    I'm with Gladstone here; firstly I want to see how the speakership elections go and if Petros wins the liberal leadership election.

    I'd take dual membership for the time being though.

    heri2rs: personally I'm of the belief that taxation is theft as a man should be able to enjoy the fruits of his labour without the state using it to fund the lazy and feckless.
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    (Original post by heri2rs)
    Fair enough. I'm a libertarian/paleoconservative and I would join, but I'm convinced that many libertarians on the internet are just clinically depressed teens who want to smoke weed and stop the government delving into their browsing history, rather than defenders of the free market and propertarianism (I'm sure that's a word).
    I'm not a teenager and I don't habitually smoke weed, for what it's worth. I certainly don't want people in my browsing history either tbf. I want the party to be welcoming to any libertarian who feels they have something to contribute beyond what the other parties will allow. There was some fantastic conversation and debate in the old party subforum and I'd like for that to be the case again. I will add your name to the list!
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    (Original post by Gladstone1885)
    I'm in for duel membership but I wouldn't leave the Libs unless this really got off the ground
    I'm happy with that. I've added your name - thanks for the support!
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    (Original post by ByronicHero)
    I'm not a teenager and I don't habitually smoke weed, for what it's worth. I certainly don't want people in my browsing history either tbf. I want the party to be welcoming to any libertarian who feels they have something to contribute beyond what the other parties will allow. There was some fantastic conversation and debate in the old party subforum and I'd like for that to be the case again. I will add your name to the list!
    I've already applied for the Tories but I'd happily join you guys too.
    I've spent all afternoon debating Keynesian's and the preposterous notion that deficit spending on the NHS, welfare and bridges is somehow a cause for economic growth and that budget surpluses are bad.
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    It's high time the Libertarians made a comeback. I don't intend to join of course, but I'll be watching this with supportive interest.
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    (Original post by heri2rs)
    I've already applied for the Tories but I'd happily join you guys too.
    I've spent all afternoon debating Keynesian's and the preposterous notion that deficit spending on the NHS, welfare and bridges is somehow a cause for economic growth and that budget surpluses are bad.
    Sweet.

    Quite the way to spend your time. I spent it talking rubbish with my friend and listening to Chopin. Not too shabby either
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    It's high time the Libertarians made a comeback. I don't intend to join of course, but I'll be watching this with supportive interest.
    Good man!
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    TSR Libertarian Party



    Once one of the intellectual powerhouses of the MHoC, The Libertarian Party fell apart under the stewardship of suspected statists. I come to you with a simple notion: let us reclaim our former glory and fight for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I understand this was tried several months ago but failed because no known members were involved and everyone disappeared. So I shall do it instead. Remember, the question of whether or not this party should be allowed to form should not rest on your opinion of our policies, but on whether or not it will benefit the House. I'm here; ergo, it will.

    Guess who's back, back again, Paddy's back, tell a friend!


    What do we stand for?


    Minimal government

    We don't support anarchy, or the complete destruction of the state. We support its reduction and restructuring. We see no good reason why current public services shouldn't be subject to the cost-reducing, innovation-precipitating forces of the free market. We will make misconduct in public office a statutory offence and restore the impeachment process for those who abuse their position.

    Individual choice

    Broadly, we believe that a person should be free to do as they wish as long as they do not harm another person or otherwise impinge on that person's ability to exercise their right to liberty. Too long have progressive governments sought to have undue influence on our lives. We don't want want to read your internet histories. Your special Colombian porn is your business.

    Freedom of speech

    The idea that anybody has a right to not be offended is ridiculous. If you don't like somebody's views, challenge them. We won't pander to fainting couch feminists or campus crazies. Your right to say whatever you like is protected if you support us :borat:

    Defence

    Defence is one of the few key things the state must provide. We do not support wars with other sovereign nations, but are committed to maintaining strong armed forces to ensure our continued prosperity. We pledge to create stronger bonds with commonwealth countries and to maintain both our nuclear deterrent and membership of NATO.

    Immigration

    We will campaign for a points based system. We welcome people from other countries and recognise the value they can bring. However, nobody should come with the expectation of a free ride. Welfare will not be accessible to people until they have passed a certain threshold of NI contributions. We remain committed to offering safety to people fleeing genuine persecution.

    Prisons

    We will ensure that the mentally ill are transferred to hospitals where they can be properly cared for. We will also separate first time offenders from the rest of the population and offer education programs in an attempt to reduce recidivism.

    Welfare

    Cradle to the Grave is done, sorry Nye! We would look at ways in which we could legislate for a citizen's income - a basic payment for every citizen to ensure that nobody has to live in poverty. The ideal would be a Citizen’s Income at the level of the Minimum Income Standards published each year by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation

    All accident and emergency services will remain free at the point of access, but will be provided . NHS access will be predicated on NI contributions. We will also remove tuition fees for those training as medical professionals in an effort to address the shortfall in qualified native people, causing expensive agency staff to be used and people contracted from abroad.

    Taxation

    Personal allowance would be removed and everyone would pay a flat rate of tax. Corporation Tax lowered to 10% to encourage business and commerce to be based in the UK, and possibly an exemption period for start-ups. Inheritance Tax would be abolished.

    Education

    The Libertarian Party advocates the denationalisation and secularisation of education. We would support a voucher system and support scholarships by allowing those that provide them to offset the cost against tax.

    Decriminalising drugs

    Naturally, they would all be legalised. Criminalising addiction does more harm than good. By legalising drug taking we would reduce crime and create an environment where people can receive help.



    Adam Smith Institute: 10 Books libertarians should read:

    Friedman: Capitalism & Freedom
    Hakek: Constitution of Liberty
    Hayek: Road to Serfdom
    Locke: Two Treatises on Civil Government
    Mill: On Liberty
    von Mises: Human Action
    Montesquieu: Spirit of the Laws
    Nozick: Anarchy, State & Utopia
    Popper: Open Society & its Enemies
    Smith: Wealth of Nations



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    1) ByroicHero
    2) heri2rs
    3) Gladstone1885









    This seems interesting, few questions:

    Where dose the party stand in the political spectrum?

    What's the main difference between this and the liberals party?

    When you mention that NHS access will be based on NI contributions, does that mean we have have to pay for treatment and medical attention etc.....?


    When you say legalised all drugs does that include cocaine, meth etc.... or is it just limited to smoking weed?

    Elaborate on your education policy?

    :holmes:


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