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    (Original post by Connor27)
    There's nothing wrong with it; people can do what they want with their own bodies.
    So you're ok with The Island?

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    (Original post by Connor27)
    There's nothing wrong with it; people can do what they want with their own bodies.
    But we are not allowed to do human cloning due to "ethics" and most countries banned human cloning.

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    For what use?
    For scientific and medical purposes. It can be used to treat many illnesses and end the shortage of organ transplant etc.... It can also be used for military purposes aswell; imagine having an army of clones O_o
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    (Original post by Obiejess)
    So you're ok with The Island?

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    Sure, if people decide to make decisions like that it's their own fault if those are the consequences.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Sure, if people decide to make decisions like that it's their own fault if those are the consequences.
    So we shouldn't be able to harvest the organs of dead people but we should from living clones?

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    (Original post by mr T 999)
    But we are not allowed to do human cloning due to "ethics" and most countries banned human cloning.



    For scientific and medical purposes. It can be used to treat many illnesses and end the shortage of organ transplant etc.... It can also be used for military purposes aswell; imagine having an army of clones O_o
    I believe that essentially using clones for organs is akin to using non-clones for organs. The clones, imo, should have the same rights as those born naturally.
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    (Original post by Obiejess)
    So we shouldn't be able to harvest the organs of dead people but we should from living clones?

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    Clones are artificially created, they aren't people, people are born.
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    (Original post by _gcx)
    I believe that essentially using clones for organs is akin to using non-clones for organs. The clones, imo, should have the same rights as those born naturally.

    But your forgetting with clones it's made from the cells/DNA of the person copied. Meaning organ transplanted from the clone to original copy, will have the same cells and DNA and the body won't reject the organ, as it would recognize it as it own. Therefore elminating the need for anti-rejection drugs and having your life span capped. Unlike with non clones.
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    (Original post by mr T 999)
    But your forgetting with clones it's made from the cells/DNA of the person copied. Meaning organ transplanted from the clone to original copy, will have the same cells and DNA and the body won't reject the organ, as it would recognize it as it own. Therefore elminating the need for anti-rejection drugs and having your life span capped. Unlike with non clones.
    They are still conscious beings with as much capacity as those who are not clones. They still have the capacity to consent.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Clones are artificially created, they aren't people, people are born.
    So people that are born using artificial methods (in the case of parental infertility or otherwise), aren't people?
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    (Original post by _gcx)
    So people that are born using artificial methods (in the case of parental infertility or otherwise), aren't people?
    IVF still requires sperm-egg fertilisation.

    Any 'human' that is created without two biological parents and made asexually is not a woman.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    IVF still requires sperm-egg fertilisation.

    Any 'human' that is created without two biological parents and made in a asexual is not a woman.
    I am aware, I simply got the impression that you were inferring that your statement applied to all "unconventional" methods of pregnancy, my misunderstanding.

    Why? They would fit all of the biological requirements of being a human.
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    (Original post by _gcx)
    I am aware, I simply got the impression that you were inferring that your statement applied to all "unconventional" methods of pregnancy, my misunderstanding.

    Why? They would fit all of the biological requirements of being a human.
    But they aren't an individual; the key aspects of the human race is that we all have those subtle differences that makes us unique from everyone else, a clone would have an exact physical copy of themselves, the original is the human, they are merely a copy.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    But they aren't an individual; the key aspects of the human race is that we all have those subtle differences that makes us unique from everyone else, a clone would have an exact physical copy of themselves, the original is the human, they are merely a copy.
    Physically, yes, but mentally?

    Why does being physically identical to another individual withdraw one's right to be considered a person?
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    (Original post by _gcx)
    Physically, yes, but mentally?

    Why does being physically identical to another individual withdraw one's right to be considered a person?
    They don't have genetic variance, we can only speculate but it could be argued because they have all the same genes then they would think and feel in largely the same way as the original.

    Someone that's been created by a non-sexual form of reproduction and is genetically identical to another human would not feel like an individual, a key aspect of being a person is having unique individual characteristics, a clone wouldn't have these, ergo not a person.
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    When the bodily autonomy of dead people is more important than actually alive clones of people.

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    (Original post by Connor27)
    They don't have genetic variance, we can only speculate but it could be argued because they have all the same genes then they would think and feel in largely the same way as the original.

    Someone that's been created by a non-sexual form of reproduction and is genetically identical to another human would not feel like an individual, a key aspect of being a person is having unique individual characteristics, a clone wouldn't have these, ergo not a person.
    Therefore identical twins are also not people.

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    (Original post by _gcx)
    They are still conscious beings with as much capacity as those who are not clones. They still have the capacity to consent.
    Yes they may be alive but they are artificially created. It's like creating a machine with Ai that then develops consciousness. Are you saying that these machines should have the right to live? Even though they are not real and entirely man made.

    (Original post by _gcx)
    Physically, yes, but mentally?

    Why does being physically identical to another individual withdraw one's right to be considered a person?

    Mentally they might be different compared with the original. As the clone won't have the same experiences or childhood or lived in the same condtions as the original copy. (It'll be pretty similar to identical twins both physically look same and have some similar characteristics, but won't be 100% exact and have some differences.)
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    (Original post by mr T 999)
    Yes they may be alive but they are artificially created. It's like creating a machine with Ai that then develops consciousness. Are you saying that these machines should have the right to live? Even though they are not real and entirely man made.




    Mentally they might be different compared with the original. As the clone won't have the same experiences or childhood or lived in the same condtions as the original copy. (It'll be pretty similar to identical twins both physically look same and have some similar characteristics, but won't be 100% exact and have some differences.)
    Exactly correct! Actually identical twins are twins! It'll be exactly like identical twins except you can see a mini you
    We should legalise genetic engineering also IMO
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    (Original post by mr T 999)
    Yes they may be alive but they are artificially created. It's like creating a machine with Ai that then develops consciousness. Are you saying that these machines should have the right to live? Even though they are not real and entirely man made.




    Mentally they might be different compared with the original. As the clone won't have the same experiences or childhood or lived in the same condtions as the original copy. (It'll be pretty similar to identical twins both physically look same and have some similar characteristics, but won't be 100% exact and have some differences.)
    Everything that has any consciousness of any kind should have rights, and should be treated fairly.
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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    Exactly correct! Actually identical twins are twins! It'll be exactly like identical twins except you can see a mini you
    We should legalise genetic engineering also IMO
    Yes it'll be like killing a twin except that's not a twin.

    Genetic engineering should be legalised, imagine all the stuff we can do. We can replace the entire army with genetically enhanced super soilders, we'll have one of the strongest millatary in the world.

    I can genetically grow myself a girlfriend with perfect boobs/ass and body :sexface:

    (Original post by _gcx)
    Everything that has any consciousness of any kind should have rights, and should be treated fairly.
    But what if we keep the clone unconsciouss and In a coma like state throught it's development? It won't have had the chance to live life or expereinces consciousess.
 
 
 
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