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    (Original post by Gladstone1885)
    Party interests you say? What might these be on a Crisis Committee whose literal purpose is to create problems?

    I can't really see the point in hitting me for having no seats when I haven't had the chance to stand in an election yet. But then I suppose you resort to confusing means when you run out of arguments.

    I'm sorry, the telegram must not have reached you; we're under new management. Funny how basic technology doesn't work when you nationalize it.

    I would like to restrain myself from criticism seeing as I wasn't in the MHoC when you carried your party to victory, but I simply cannot bring myself to do so. You defeated a Tory Party beset by lack of inspiration and credible leadership on a student forum where most individuals are left-leaning, and managed to form a minority government only with the help of your counterparts to the left. I would hardly call your showing an indication of leadership prowess.

    And one final point: of course we're biased in favor of him based on our proximity to him. That's essentially the reason anybody votes for anybody in any election for anything; because they've been exposed to their strengths. One would expect a Prime Minister to know this.

    But then again, you're the devalued Prime Minister of a devalued government.
    It's obvious how the CC can be politicised to anyone who's been involved in this House for a short amount of time. The CC can, if bent to the will of any one ideology effectively dictate what happens in the simulated world. A crisis about strikes could be used to promote a anti-union agenda, a crisis about the NHS could be used to promote a privatisation agenda and so on. This is not difficult.

    I'm not critiquing you for having no seats I'm critiquing your gall at criticising how my party handles it's seats when you have no experience in that department whatsoever.

    That was possibly the worst insult anyone's thrown at me in this place, and I have a very large sample to compare with. Are you saying people on the left use telegrams? Jeez.

    This is all pathetic, you can't defend your actions or refute my arguments so you're trying to pick at my party's electoral success which is irrelevant to this discussion. Do you think you can wound me with jibes about the left's advantage in TSR elections? Do you think that my self-esteem is somehow predicated on what you of all people think of me? Do you think that I, as someone who has served in half a dozen governments is concerned by your definition of 'devalued government' - whatever that means? All you're doing is exposing your own ignorance. You should have withdrawn the endorsement based on what I said in good faith - though it's a bit late to do that now it's been renounced.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Damn, I can see why you're getting on the Tory leadership's nerves so much.
    They're charming, aren't they? What a bunch of spoilt arrogant narcissistic prickly children who think they're really smart but aren't even smart enough to realise how silly they are. :teehee:
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    They're charming, aren't they? What a bunch of spoilt arrogant narcissistic prickly children who think they're really smart but aren't even smart enough to realise how silly they are. :teehee:
    I've been elected prime minister three times but it was only on the third go that I had the benefit of a leader of a pseudo-party tell me I'm 'devalued'. :rolleyes: How we've managed to survive this long without these people's insights I'll never know.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    They're charming, aren't they? What a bunch of spoilt arrogant narcissistic prickly children who think they're really smart but aren't even smart enough to realise how silly they are. :teehee:
    "Nurse could you help this lovely man back to the Fake Tory thread?

    He still thinks he's fighting the Great War"
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I think it is pretty shocking tbh, it's not appropriate for a party to endorse a Chair for an apolitical committee.

    Congratulations _gcx, I have a lot of faith in you.
    Ha. You don't remember the Irish crisis do you.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Damn, I can see why you're getting on the Tory leadership's nerves so much.
    It's not doing them any good tbh lol. I would think that for a new party, you would want to make sure that you don't annoy people but that's of course not the case is it...
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    (Original post by CoffeeGeek)
    It's not doing them any good tbh lol. I would think that for a new party, you would want to make sure that you don't annoy people but that's of course not the case is it...
    The more people they annoy, the more irrelevant they'll be if they eventually become a real MHoC party with a sub-forum. Much like UKIP after their many stunts.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    The more people they annoy, the more irrelevant they'll be if they eventually become a real MHoC party with a sub-forum. Much like UKIP after their many stunts.
    As long as we keep you lot out of government next term, it'll have been worth it.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    As long as we keep you lot out of government next term, it'll have been worth it.
    No that's just your aim.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    As long as we keep you lot out of government next term, it'll have been worth it.
    Haha, you must be a fan of Top Gear—ambitious but rubbish.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    Haha, you must be a fan of Top Gear—ambitious but rubbish.
    Was alright with Clarkson and the gang, not so much with that ginger **** from radio 2 and the guy from friends.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Was alright with Clarkson and the gang, not so much with that ginger **** from radio 2 and the guy from friends.
    At least Evans won't be in it this next series, though tbh, not really holding out much hope for it even with him gone
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Ha. You don't remember the Irish crisis do you.
    Non-partisan then. Though that example just goes to show how horrid the CC can be.
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    (Original post by Gladstone1885)
    Party interests you say? What might these be on a Crisis Committee whose literal purpose is to create problems?

    I can't really see the point in hitting me for having no seats when I haven't had the chance to stand in an election yet. But then I suppose you resort to confusing means when you run out of arguments.

    I'm sorry, the telegram must not have reached you; we're under new management. Funny how basic technology doesn't work when you nationalize it.

    I would like to restrain myself from criticism seeing as I wasn't in the MHoC when you carried your party to victory, but I simply cannot bring myself to do so. You defeated a Tory Party beset by lack of inspiration and credible leadership on a student forum where most individuals are left-leaning, and managed to form a minority government only with the help of your counterparts to the left. I would hardly call your showing an indication of leadership prowess.

    And one final point: of course we're biased in favor of him based on our proximity to him. That's essentially the reason anybody votes for anybody in any election for anything; because they've been exposed to their strengths. One would expect a Prime Minister to know this.

    But then again, you're the devalued Prime Minister of a devalued government.
    This here is what underlines your inexperience and misunderstanding about the house. Of course the CC can be manipulated as it can undermine government policies, and set agendas.

    And regarding the minority government, do you even understand how proportional voting works?

    You've got a lot to learn and I suggest you shut your mouth before you embarrass yourself and your party even more.

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    (Original post by Obiejess)
    This here is what underlines your inexperience and misunderstanding about the house. Of course the CC can be manipulated as it can undermine government policies, and set agendas.

    And regarding the minority government, do you even understand how proportional voting works?

    You've got a lot to learn and I suggest you shut your mouth before you embarrass yourself and your party even more.

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    I do in fact, and I also know that all of MP's in opposition are center or right wing and yet you're running a left wing freak show which is contrary to the will of the people.

    I, on the other hand, do not suggest you shut your mouth because if you did you'd do a service to your party. I would prefer that you defended actual ideals instead of trying to prop up your party leader however.

    And for the last time, whoever we each pick individually for CC chair is going to uphold libertarian principles, regardless of whether that undermines your "government", if it can be called that at this point.
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    (Original post by Gladstone1885)
    I do in fact, and I also know that all of MP's in opposition are center or right wing and yet you're running a left wing freak show which is contrary to the will of the people.

    I, on the other hand, do not suggest you shut your mouth because if you did you'd do a service to your party. I would prefer that you defended actual ideals instead of trying to prop up your party leader however.

    And for the last time, whoever we each pick individually for CC chair is going to uphold libertarian principles, regardless of whether that undermines your "government", if it can be called that at this point.
    Hear, Hear! It's more of a shambles at this point with one SoI in 4 months, no budget still and the communists running out of people to fill their seats.

    They only got in because of a technicality of the voting system where JD voters elected a socialist MP.
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    (Original post by Gladstone1885)
    I do in fact, and I also know that all of MP's in opposition are center or right wing and yet you're running a left wing freak show which is contrary to the will of the people.

    I, on the other hand, do not suggest you shut your mouth because if you did you'd do a service to your party. I would prefer that you defended actual ideals instead of trying to prop up your party leader however.

    And for the last time, whoever we each pick individually for CC chair is going to uphold libertarian principles, regardless of whether that undermines your "government", if it can be called that at this point.
    The policy platform of this government has been enormously successful in the House - unlike any of your platform. Indeed this government is being beyond accommodating to what you describe as 'the centre' - given this House has tolerated governments with 15 seats.

    And so the pretence of understanding nonpartisanism dissapears.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Hear, Hear! It's more of a shambles at this point with one SoI in 4 months, no budget still and the communists running out of people to fill their seats.

    They only got in because of a technicality of the voting system where JD voters elected a socialist MP.
    Again this nonsense about SOIs. SOIs are for non-legislative policy changes or for summarising broader policy platforms. The government clearly isn't bereft of policies given the three government bills currently passing through the House - each the result of researching actual law and demonstrating far greater intellectual clout than an SOI on those respective subjects. We could have responded to the last crisis with an SOI - instead we wrote a bill and are the first government ever to respond to a crisis with actual legislation (something we've now done twice). Your judgement is meaningless.

    Left-wing independents are a lot more common. The fact that an indie once *won* an election means I can't bring myself to feel much sorrow for the 6 people who voted for JD. And seeing as JD wanted to punish the Tory Party - something you also appear to want to do - I see no reason to believe that this wasn't also the desire of JD's voters.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    The policy platform of this government has been enormously successful in the House - unlike any of your platform. Indeed this government is being beyond accommodating to what you describe as 'the centre' - given this House has tolerated governments with 15 seats.

    And so the pretence of understanding nonpartisanism dissapears.
    So the traditional excuse of "its precedence, so **** it we'll take advantage of it too" is the one you're choosing to defend your illegitimacy as a government?

    How low Ray, attacking a party that hasn't even had a chance yet to challenge you in an election.
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    (Original post by Gladstone1885)
    So the traditional excuse of "its precedence, so **** it we'll take advantage of it too" is the one you're choosing to defend your illegitimacy as a government?

    How low Ray, attacking a party that hasn't even had a chance yet to challenge you in an election.
    This game would be much duller if it did not have minority governments. The legitimacy of this government doesn't need defending - we are the legitimate government of the MHoC, the product of negotiation, compromise and democracy and the proponents of intelligent, beneficial and popular policy.

    I don't see how it's 'low' or why you think you're beyond criticism. If any 'low' attacks have been made then they've been made by yourself.
 
 
 
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