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    (Original post by mr T 999)
    So you guys basically are if the tories decided to become a libertarian party, right?

    I don't really agree on legalising all drugs just maybe weed. Since its the most smoked drug in the country compared with other drugs. Only because weed is cheaper to buy than cocaine for example. The government could make alot of money from taxing weed for example.
    Plus I wouldn't want the streets to be full of drug addicts/junkies and have the air polluted with smoke. I wanna wake up in the morning and smell the fresh air, not the dirty aftermath of drugs lol

    So what your saying is, the state is paying for the students education via taxpayer money. Then has to give the same amount they spend on education, on each student in vouchers? Won't that cost the goverment even more money, how are they gonna fund this?

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    No, they are full of social conservatives. It would be funded by a massive reduction in the overall size of the state. I get your point with weed, but only by legalising all drugs do we properly create the conditions where we can address their negative effects. Various drugs are no more harmful than alcohol, would you ban the latter?

    (Original post by joecphillips)
    I'll join, although I do have to ask why now?
    Sweet - welcome aboard. Honestly, I've been gone for years and fancied playing again as I have quite a bit of free time currently. I decided the best thing I could do for the MHoC was to ensure the Libers were re-made. So here I am.

    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Dual membership requires the agreement of both party leaders.

    If Petros has any sense at all, he'll refuse to allow you dual membership.



    The Libertarians are not forming, ergo you should stick with your plan to join the Tories.

    If the Libertarians do form, we will expressly starve you all of new membership via aggressive measures ensuring your collapse and our continued dominion.
    He is allowing it. He recognises the potential threat, but also has the perspicacity to realise that as natural allies it makes sense to foster strong ties. You are not capable of starving us while I am around. I have more presence on TSR than the rest of you combined, can write several bills a day in my sleep and am otherwise a good chap. People will join me. You are welcome, too

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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Scared would be too strong a word.

    I'm simply not stupid or naive enough to support the enabling of something that is not in the Tory self interest.
    Sensible. Politically, I completely understand your position. As an adult who should have an interest in helping the younger members develop their opinions in the fullest way possible, I don't.
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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    ByronicHero would you not split the right wing vote|?
    The Libers are an interesting case as they would strip votes from several parties. Both the Liberals and the Tories would lose members and votes, though it is hard to say which one more so on TSR. Many libertarians wouldn't call themselves right-wing because to most people that denotes a conservative or authoritarian social policy. Obviously economically it is accurate.
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    (Original post by ByronicHero)
    The Libers are an interesting case as they would strip votes from several parties. Both the Liberals and the Tories would lose members and votes, though it is hard to say which one more so on TSR. Many libertarians wouldn't call themselves right-wing because to most people that denotes a conservative or authoritarian social policy. Obviously economically it is accurate.
    So you would hand the election to the left(labour and socialists)??
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    (Original post by Birchington)
    The original Libs made some fantastic contributions to the House. The key question for any new party is viability. If enough people support this proposal and can guarantee it will work long-term, I see no reason to oppose it.
    Good man, Birchie.

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    (Original post by ByronicHero)
    The Libers are an interesting case as they would strip votes from several parties. Both the Liberals and the Tories would lose members and votes, though it is hard to say which one more so on TSR. Many libertarians wouldn't call themselves right-wing because to most people that denotes a conservative or authoritarian social policy. Obviously economically it is accurate.
    As of yet i don't believe that any Tories have stated their intent to join you. We'd lose votes though and hence you must be stopped.
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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    So you would hand the election to the left(labour and socialists)??
    No. We would win a small number of seats and realistically consider entering coalitions with a number of parties based on various factors including, but not limited to:

    - How much of a numpty the leader is
    - Policy concessions
    - Distribution of positions
    - Attitude of current active membership(s)
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    As of yet i don't believe that any Tories have stated their intent to join you. We'd lose votes though and hence you must be stopped.
    I welcome the resistance.

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    I would come home.

    Wouldn't be super active, but ya know I would post here and there behind the scenes to help with policy formation.
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    (Original post by jesusandtequila)
    I would come home.

    Wouldn't be super active, but ya know I would post here and there behind the scenes to help with policy formation.
    Simon, ma boy.

    I will add you to the list.
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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    Some last questions ,how you maintain a balanced budget , you propose alot of tax cuts , how would you pay for them( through welfare cuts?).
    How are you going to be relevant forming so early as the next GE is in May , how will you avoid veering of into insignificant?
    Essentially, reduced corporate taxes in tandem with our other policies fosters an environment that is conducive to growth. We are also committed to closing corporate loopholes to ensure that taxes are actually paid. Ergo, while rates are absolutely lower, the slice will be coming from a bigger pie. That aside, bloated bureaucracy and redundancy in public services will be dealt with swiftly by the free market and a more streamlined welfare system accessible only to citizens would save a lot of money. It is all part of the same big picture.

    Relevance isn't an issue. I have been Speaker, PM, Chancellor, held just about every cabinet position, been the leader of 2 parties, written constitutions and have been directly involved in the writing of somewhere far north of 50 bills. I saved UKIP when they were dying and took them to government, with the largest bill to member ratio of any party by a considerable margin.

    That is just me. Supporting the formation is the previous Libertarian party leader from my generation who was one of the few worthy opponents in the House, and several active members of the current generation who wish to lend their talents to the cause.

    To not allow us to form would be laughably bad decision by the new Speaker, so egregious an abdication of their duty that I can barely conceive of it happening. As soon as we have our forum, the rest will take care of itself.

    Posted this here too for reference, but feel free to reply in the bar if you wish.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Yet again, the loathsome social justice warriors have used a buzzword to try and silence debate, not gonna happen though.

    The values on there are not "alt-right" values, I've never seen an alt rightist advocate for drugs legalisation and proper free market capitalism. Most of them are (the alt-right) are economically left in my experience.

    Might I recommend the TSR Labour Party for you sir? I think you'd suit their views perfectly with the establishment of the thought police and your seemingly irrational love of the nanny state.
    Ironic how you say that im shutting down a debate whilst calling me an SJW. But it's okay, you have fun in your silly mock elections because you're so out of touch with reality.
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    (Original post by ByronicHero)
    Essentially, reduced corporate taxes in tandem with our other policies fosters an environment that is conducive to growth. We are also committed to closing corporate loopholes to ensure that taxes are actually paid. Ergo, while rates are absolutely lower, the slice will be coming from a bigger pie. That aside, bloated bureaucracy and redundancy in public services will be dealt with swiftly by the free market and a more streamlined welfare system accessible only to citizens would save a lot of money. It is all part of the same big picture.

    Relevance isn't an issue. I have been Speaker, PM, Chancellor, held just about every cabinet position, been the leader of 2 parties, written constitutions and have been directly involved in the writing of somewhere far north of 50 bills. I saved UKIP when they were dying and took them to government, with the largest bill to member ratio of any party by a considerable margin.

    That is just me. Supporting the formation is the previous Libertarian party leader from my generation who was one of the few worthy opponents in the House, and several active members of the current generation who wish to lend their talents to the cause.

    To not allow us to form would be laughably bad decision by the new Speaker, so egregious an abdication of their duty that I can barely conceive of it happening. As soon as we have our forum, the rest will take care of itself.

    Posted this here too for reference, but feel free to reply in the bar if you wish.
    What do you think of central banking? I'll reject the Tories if you let me join the Libertarians
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    (Original post by heri2rs)
    What do you think of central banking? I'll reject the Tories if you let me join the Libertarians
    You can do dual membership?
    Come on , we actually have a chance of government!
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    (Original post by heri2rs)
    What do you think of central banking? I'll reject the Tories if you let me join the Libertarians
    On the basis that currency is more effective than barter, I think central banking is necessary. As much as it is an institution that can be abused, it strikes me as an economic necessity. This is an off the cuff response though, so I'm happy to read some literature if you disagree.

    You are welcome to. If you want to join then I consider you a member. Our support is already fairly substantial so it seems very unlikely we won't be allowed to form, awful Speaker decisions excepted. That said, as soon as we have the forum I will make sure that everyone who wants to join is admitted that same day so that we can get started on the various things that will need to be done.
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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    You can do dual membership?
    Come on , we actually have a chance of government!
    I'm worried that the Tories are Neocons that want to bomb everything with a pulse, will deficit spend and spy on us.
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    (Original post by ByronicHero)
    - How much of a numpty the leader is
    So no coalitions with us Socs then
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    (Original post by ByronicHero)
    On the basis that currency is more effective than barter, I think central banking is necessary. As much as it is an institution that can be abused, it strikes me as an economic necessity. This is an off the cuff response though, so I'm happy to read some literature if you disagree.

    You are welcome to. If you want to join then I consider you a member. Our support is already fairly substantial so it seems very unlikely we won't be allowed to form, awful Speaker decisions excepted. That said, as soon as we have the forum I will make sure that everyone who wants to join is admitted that same day so that we can get started on the various things that will need to be done.
    I think central banks first need an audit. It should have no power over interest rates. Then it should be brought back into full government control. The printing press ought to be given back to the treasury. The BoE should then be scrapped and we should return to a commodity backed currency. Central banks aren't held accountable at all. Did you know congressman in the US cant enter the federal reserve.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    So no coalitions with us Socs then
    I will choose to take this as a joke about them not having a designated leader, rather than denigration. :holmes:
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    (Original post by heri2rs)
    I think central banks first need an audit. It should have no power over interest rates. Then it should be brought back into full government control. The printing press ought to be given back to the treasury. The BoE should then be scrapped and we should return to a commodity backed currency. Central banks aren't held accountable at all. Did you know congressman in the US cant enter the federal reserve.
    So, by no power over interest rates would you also remove its ability to manipulate free market functions which affect the interest rate. By setting targets, it essentially achieves them via self-fulfilling prophesy? My understanding was that a system that uses a fiat currency requires a central bank to properly regulate it in order to maintain its persistent value, which is presumably why you'd change that. Are you thinking gold standard? I admit that this is not my area of expertise at all, so I will commit to reading some papers tomorrow when I am back home.

    I wasn't aware they could wander in, but I do know that the Federal Reserve exercises a great degree of autonomy. That said, they recently bought a large amount of treasury debt which moves them rather closer.

    Would your central bank still function as a lender of last resort?
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    (Original post by ByronicHero)
    So, by no power over interest rates would you also remove its ability to manipulate free market functions which affect the interest rate. By setting targets, it essentially achieves them via self-fulfilling prophesy? My understanding was that a system that uses a fiat currency requires a central bank to properly regulate it in order to maintain its persistent value, which is presumably why you'd change that. Are you thinking gold standard? I admit that this is not my area of expertise at all, so I will commit to reading some papers tomorrow when I am back home.

    I wasn't aware they could wander in, but I do know that the Federal Reserve exercises a great degree of autonomy. That said, they recently bought a large amount of treasury debt which moves them rather closer.

    Would your central bank still function as a lender of last resort?
    Perhaps, but you could change the price of your commodity, allowing more money to be printed. I know it's antithetical to a free market, but I haven't read enough Rothbard or Hayek to find a solution.

    What do you think of roads? Statists love harassing me with that argument
 
 
 
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