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    Can I just clarify that the only explanation for fleky's statements about the Budget in this thread is that he has not read it? They're all complete :innocent::innocent::innocent::innocent::innocent::innocent::innocent:s.

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    Can I just clarify that the only explanation for fleky's statements about the Budget in this thread is that he has not read it? They're all complete :innocent::innocent::innocent::innocent::innocent::innocent::innocent:s.

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    Clearly not, as the budget is currently on course for a (narrow) defeat in division, sad!
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    Clearly not, as the budget is currently on course for a (narrow) defeat in division, sad!
    I'd like to wish you luck for the upcoming election.
    I look forward to working together in future and you have my endorsement for liberal chair.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Can I just clarify that the only explanation for fleky's statements about the Budget in this thread is that he has not read it? They're all complete :innocent::innocent::innocent::innocent::innocent::innocent::innocent:s.


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    I actually have read the budget and it's the easiest nay of my life.The vote will be close and it may be defeated at this rate.
    Is somebody getting scared it will be defeated and I actually convinced people?
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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    I actually have read the budget and it's the easiest nay of my life.The vote will be close and it may be defeated at this rate.
    Is somebody getting scared it will be defeated and I actually convinced people?
    So an undeniably centrist Budget which inarguably increases access to opportunity - the very definition of liberty - is the 'easiest nay of your life' compared to some of UKIP's tripe? Mate, please never call yourself any kind of liberal again, even a neoliberal: it will be laughably untrue.
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    In the coming hours I will post certain results from our internal party census. 7 members replied to the census over the course of roughly six hours and I have chosen to make some of that data public.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    So an undeniably centrist Budget
    LMFAO , a centrist budget , get real :rofl: :rofl:

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    Mate, please never call yourself any kind of liberal again, even a neoliberal: it will be laughably untrue.
    You clearly don't know what neoliberal means if you think any neoliberal would vote for this budget :laugh: or any liberal for that matter.

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    the 'easiest nay of your life' compared to some of UKIP's tripe? Mate, please never call yourself any kind of liberal again, even a neoliberal: it will be laughably untrue.
    I voted nay to most UKIP bills also.
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    You need to word your questions better, because I'm having to assume right socialists some funny code for authoritarianism, and left social is funny code for libertarianism, because the left right spectrum has such little social bearing in terms of the traditional social axis

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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    LMFAO , a centrist budget , get real :rofl: :rofl:


    You clearly don't know what neoliberal means if you think any neoliberal would vote for this budget :laugh: or any liberal for that matter.



    I voted nay to most UKIP bills also.
    I hold two distinct positions:

    1) if you think the budget is worse than UKIP Bills, that's what makes you not even a neoliberal. A neoliberal would vote against the budget.
    2) A neoliberal is not liberal in any meaningful sense of the word and the Budget is very significantly more liberal than neoliberal policy.

    Liberals: ask yourself, would you rather be associated with George Bush (the archetypal prominent neoliberal outside of people like Fukuyama), or with someone like Tim Farron or Nick Clegg, both of whose support for a fair, reasonable housing policy would guarantee their support for the Budget.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    I hold two distinct positions:

    1) if you think the budget is worse than UKIP Bills, that's what makes you not even a neoliberal. A neoliberal would vote against the budget.
    2) A neoliberal is not liberal in any meaningful sense of the word and the Budget is very significantly more liberal than neoliberal policy.

    Liberals: ask yourself, would you rather be associated with George Bush (the archetypal prominent neoliberal outside of people like Fukuyama), or with someone like Tim Farron or Nick Clegg, both of whose support for a fair, reasonable housing policy would guarantee their support for the Budget.
    I voted against UKIP's bill , they are on social policy so not really comparable.
    2) Actually a neoliberal is a form of liberalism , connor is a liberal and a neoliberal.Neoliberalism is a type of liberalism.

    The budget is not economically liberal , it increases the burden of the state and any true liberal would be disgraced by this budget. SJW's will vote this budget though. You really think Adam Smith would support this budget?

    Why you getting so defensive over your budget? Looks like your scared of loosing.
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    Economically your all right wing :holmes:

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    You have another American amongst your ranks? :holmes:

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    Socially 5 of you are left wing and the rest have Centre views :holmes:
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    You need to word your questions better, because I'm having to assume right socialists some funny code for authoritarianism, and left social is funny code for libertarianism, because the left right spectrum has such little social bearing in terms of the traditional social axis

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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    I voted against UKIP's bill , they are on social policy so not really comparable.
    2) Actually a neoliberal is a form of liberalism , connor is a liberal and a neoliberal.Neoliberalism is a type of liberalism.

    The budget is not economically liberal , it increases the burden of the state and any true liberal would be disgraced by this budget. SJW's will vote this budget though. You really think Adam Smith would support this budget?

    Why you getting so defensive over your budget? Looks like your scared of loosing.
    Economic and social liberalism are necessarily intertwined. You cannot meaningfully be one without being the other.

    Neoliberalism is liberal by name only, it is not liberal in practice.

    The Budget is liberal in that it massively increases the scope of choice in society, the goal of liberalism. It has nothing to do with SJWs and does not attempt to restrict speech in any way - the only illiberal part of 'social justice'. Adam Smith is a poor example of a liberal, not least because The Wealth of Nations is far from pure liberalism even in the 'economic' sense you describe. I think he may well support it.

    Of course I'm nervous about losing. The Government has 21 votes. No Budget has ever passed by a landslide.
 
 
 
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