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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Humourous because Gladstone recently became an 'independent'.
    i know right. They should end the party for good
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    I would like to announce that julen is being replaced in seat 24 by Gladstone1885 who shall remain an independent member but shall fill one of our seats.

    Gladstone please apply to the MP usergroup and Julen please leave.
    Just like Mark Reckless in the Welsh Assembly.
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    (Original post by julen)
    i know right. They should end the party for good
    Would you like to defect to the liberals?
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    (Original post by mr T 999)
    Would you like to defect to the liberals?
    private message me
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    (Original post by Captain Poldark)
    Just like Mark Reckless in the Welsh Assembly.
    Yeah, ish. The Assembly works on a system of groups rather than parties, so whilst traditionally members of each party form a group (if they have the requisite 3 members) that isn't necessary – so you have Mark Reckless who isn't a member of the Conservative Party but is a member of the Welsh Conservative Assembly group (which makes him a Tory like any of the other Tories for the purpose of Assembly business) and then you have Nathan Gill who is a member of UKIP (and sits as a UKIP MEP) but has left the UKIP group to sit as an independent (so is not treated as a Kipper despite being a member of the party). It actually caused a big argument just yesterday over sharing out committee chairships.

    Though as we don't have groups as separate from parties it's not quite like this – it just makes a mockery of Gladstone leaving the Libertarians in the first place, and of the Libertarians for appointing someone from outside the party to fill a seat (a) when they had a party member who could do so and (b) when they have just left the party.
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    (Original post by mr T 999)
    Would you like to defect to the liberals?
    If someone defects, do they take their seat with them?
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    (Original post by Captain Poldark)
    If someone defects, do they take their seat with them?
    No

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    (Original post by Captain Poldark)
    If someone defects, do they take their seat with them?
    No – which is incidentally also different from the Reckless situation where he took his regional seat over from the UKIP group to the Tory group. In the MHoC seats stay with the parties rather than with the members, so, provided it is constitutional within the party, the party has complete control to appoint and remove people from MP seats as they wish.
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    No – which is incidentally also different from the Reckless situation where he took his regional seat over from the UKIP group to the Tory group. In the MHoC seats stay with the parties rather than with the members, so, provided it is constitutional within the party, the party has complete control to appoint and remove people from MP seats as they wish.
    So they could choose to remove Gladstone at any point if they wanted to which interestingly means he doesn't have full independence. Whereas Mark Reckless has his seat secured.
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    (Original post by Captain Poldark)
    So they could choose to remove Gladstone at any point if they wanted to which interestingly means he doesn't have full independence. Whereas Mark Reckless has his seat secured.
    Yes, Reckless has virtually no prospect of re-election being outside a political party and sitting in a top-up seat, but he's secure until 2021.

    Whereas the Libers really ought to let one of their loyal members take that seat rather than an independent if one is available.
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    Yes, Reckless has virtually no prospect of re-election being outside a political party and sitting in a top-up seat, but he's secure until 2021.

    Whereas the Libers really ought to let one of their loyal members take that seat rather than an independent if one is available.
    Your own party did literally the same thing with the greens last term, we are lending the seat to Gladstone as he is a strong voice for ideological libertarianism and we believe he is deserving of a seat in the house.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Your own party did literally the same thing with the greens last term, we are lending the seat to Gladstone as he is a strong voice for ideological libertarianism and we believe he is deserving of a seat in the house.
    Proxy is to appoint someone temporarily to cover for the absence of an MP. To give a supposed 'independent' who has only recently left your party a full time seat is another matter.

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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Your own party did literally the same thing with the greens last term, we are lending the seat to Gladstone as he is a strong voice for ideological libertarianism and we believe he is deserving of a seat in the house.
    What reason do you have to give julen seat to Gladstone if julen is not going to be inactive for a while? Proxying a seat involves the original MP to be inactive for a while.
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    (Original post by mr T 999)
    What reason do you have to give julen seat to Gladstone if julen is not going to be inactive for a while? Proxying a seat involves the original MP to be inactive for a while.
    Does it? Point out where in any of the 3+ relevant documents it states that proxying requires inactivity from the "permanent" member.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Does it? Point out where in any of the 3+ relevant documents it states that proxying requires inactivity from the "permanent" member.

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    Is it not? Then why would you give an active member of the party seat to someone else outside the party?
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    (Original post by Captain Poldark)
    So they could choose to remove Gladstone at any point if they wanted to which interestingly means he doesn't have full independence. Whereas Mark Reckless has his seat secured.
    I suppose they could try
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    (Original post by Gladstone1885)
    I suppose they could try
    Are you seriously holding your former party to ransom?!
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    So Gladstone leaves them citing childish behavior and the Libertarians then immediately appoint him their MP.

    Either Gladstone was never that committed to being an independent or the Libertarians are pandering to him without any long term commitment to them, an act of weakness.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    So Gladstone leaves them citing childish behavior and the Libertarians then immediately appoint him their MP.

    Either Gladstone was never that committed to being an independent or the Libertarians are pandering to him without any long term commitment to them, an act of weakness.
    It is curious.

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    they are doing this so andrew can't threaten a scandal so to make him happy he gets a seat. joke of a party to be honest.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    So Gladstone leaves them citing childish behavior and the Libertarians then immediately appoint him their MP.

    Either Gladstone was never that committed to being an independent or the Libertarians are pandering to him without any long term commitment to them, an act of weakness.
    You seem overly focused on balance of power and social geopolitics to an extent that I would think only applicable to foreign policy, not so much a student forum.

    I had something they want, they had something I want, and the invisible hand did the rest
 
 
 
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