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    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    Which was what?


    May I ask why?
    Feel free to dig around in Hansard... unfortunately it seems our beloved Prime Minister does not wish to arrange for me to actually go and explain them to someone dying needing a transplant, so my motivation for finding the reasoning is fairly limited. I don't doubt others, most especially probably Nigel, will provide very coherent reasoning to my own... When I can be bothered, I may C&P what I said last time!
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    It's a House of Common's innit, imagine it'll be broadcast on TV.
    My imagination is not that advanced. Sorry!
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    (Original post by Nirvana1989-1994)
    It sounds stupid, but it makes my skin crawl.
    But why though?
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    Absolutely. If you make the arrangements for me to be in front of that person, I would be more than happy to talk to them about it.
    So what would you say to them?
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    You have not, as an example of an individual left behind, there is no allowance in this bill for a mentally disabled individual to have a decision made on their behalf by a family member, or a carer.
    That is true and something we will amend for a second reading. However, I believe he may have slightly misinterpreted the bill.
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    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    But why though?
    I don't know haha, it just does.
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    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    So what would you say to them?
    That whilst I am sympathetic to their problems, they do not have a right to someone else's body without their consent, whether they are alive or dead. There is also a highly effective free (some may know it as black) market out there, where if they're that desperate, they can find the organ of their choosing - I can even give some referrals for an extra 10% discount if required.
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    Feel free to dig around in Hansard... unfortunately it seems our beloved Prime Minister does not wish to arrange for me to actually go and explain them to someone dying needing a transplant, so my motivation for finding the reasoning is fairly limited. I don't doubt others, most especially probably Nigel, will provide very coherent reasoning to my own... When I can be bothered, I may C&P what I said last time!

    My imagination is not that advanced. Sorry!
    I think if you want to reject a policy that will almost certainly help a lot of people desperately in need then you should have the intellectual confidence to defend that position without relying on Nigel Farage MEP to do so for you - however energetic a debater he may be.

    The government has presented strong reasoning in favour - recognizing potential issues individuals may have - in the notes section of this bill. As the Opposition it is now 'your move' so to speak.
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    (Original post by Nirvana1989-1994)
    It sounds stupid, but it makes my skin crawl.
    Then opt out.
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    aye
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Then opt the **** out.
    There's no need to be rude.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    You have not, as an example of an individual left behind, there is no allowance in this bill for a mentally disabled individual to have a decision made on their behalf by a family member, or a carer.
    I actually completely agree with this point - any system that involves individuals consciously doing something like opting out needs to take into consideration those who may not be able to make such decisions for themselves. I'm sure we can include a section to adequately resolve that.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I think if you want to reject a policy that will almost certainly help a lot of people desperately in need then you should have the intellectual confidence to defend that position without relying on Nigel Farage MEP to do so for you - however energetic a debater he may be.

    The government has presented strong reasoning in favour - recognizing potential issues individuals may have - in the notes section of this bill. As the Opposition it is now 'your move' so to speak.
    Perhaps unlike others, I am rather bored of repeating the same argument for something which I feel as though has been submitted twice in my time here... And as such, I have enough confidence that I don't need to try and boost my intellectual confidence by arguing it again. Though yes, I would agree, he is rather energetic.
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    Nay. If they want to be added onto the list then they should ask to do so, they shouldn't just be put automatically on the register against their will - no way.
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    That whilst I am sympathetic to their problems, they do not have a right to someone else's body without their consent, whether they are alive or dead. There is also a highly effective free (some may know it as black) market out there, where if they're that desperate, they can find the organ of their choosing - I can even give some referrals for an extra 10% discount if required.
    But one can remove themselves from the register if they wish.
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    (Original post by Nirvana1989-1994)
    I don't know haha, it just does.
    It has the potential to save hundreds of lives though.
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    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    It has the potential to save hundreds of lives though.
    True, it just feels a bit intrusive, I guess, that people are already put on the list-even if they can opt out.
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    (Original post by Nirvana1989-1994)
    There's no need to be rude.
    I would have been more polite if your argument had been substantial.
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    The bill makes sense. Wales has been outlined and I know that Spain incorporated an opt-out to system which has contributed to it having a high organ donor rate effectively saving many many lives. I can't see why people'd be against it.
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    Nay, I have always been against having an opt-out system, mainly because most people will not bother, and they will stick to the default option of opting in. The state does not own somebody, nor does the state own a body, and people should have the full choice, which in my opinion, means needing to opt-in to organ donation if they wish to donate. People ask why I care about default donation when I really do not care about donating, the answer is because I think a lot of people would not think about it, and it is something that people should think about when making this decision. It is a classic example of how the affect of a box being ticked affects the outcome for the vast majority of people. If there is a default option, most people will not even think about it, people have to actively make the decision in a situation like this: people need to think.

    I would much rather support something where there is an incentive to make the decision, perhaps the following: when you register to vote, you cannot submit the form unless you have ticked either yes, or no. If you do not tick any, it will not submit, and if you do not register to vote then I would be okay with allowing that person's organs to be used.

    mobbsy91 I hope this demonstration of your views is clear, concise, and coherent enough for your liking.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I would have been more polite if your argument had been substantial.
    I wouldn't have reported you for being rude if you didn't swear at me.
 
 
 
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