V1093 – Abortion Equality Bill 2016 (Amended Second Reading)

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V1093 – Abortion Equality Bill 2016 (Amended Second Reading), joecphillips MP
Abortion equality bill 2016

A bill to give fathers equal opportunity to abort parental rights before a child is born.

1. Definitions
(1) Father is the biological male parent.
(2) Mother is the biological female parent.

2. Legal abortion
(1) A father can permanently abort all parental rights and responsibilities to a child-
(A) up to 1 week before the abortion deadline; or
(B) up to 2 weeks after the father discovers about the pregnancy if the mother knew about the pregnancy 1 week before the abortion deadline; or
(C) at any point during the pregnancy with the mothers consent.

3. Process
(1) To abort all parental rights and responsibilities a father must communicate that they intend to by sending a letter by recorded delivery that has been certified by a solicitor to the mother
(2) The message must to clearly state "I am aborting all parental rights and responsibilities to the child you are currently pregnant with"

4. Extent, commencement, and short title
(1) This Act extends to the whole of the United Kingdom.
(2) This Act comes into force on the day on which it is passed.
(3) This Act may be cited as the Abortion equality bill 2016.

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Let's do something to reduce legal inequality.

Since 1976 a right has existed for just one group of people and but not another, how in a society where people claim to support equality can this be accepted?




Changes for 2nd reading:
2(1) made it clearer that it is a permanent decision
2(1)(a) changed from 23 weeks to tie into abortion guidelines

Changes
2(1)(b) tied it into abortion guidelines
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Nay. As I and others have mentioned before, fathers should not be allowed a 'get out of jail free card' just because they wanted an abortion.
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Would you please make sure I vote aye? Page froze.
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Nay. Even if a father aborts parental responsibility, they should remain financially responsible to some extent.
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Aaaargh... this could have been so much better...
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You could have made this far more palatable but as it stands I stall aid it's defeat.
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You could have made this far more palatable but as it stands I stall aid it's defeat.
I was open to working with the government on this but once again they failed to follow through.
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Mr Speaker, can you change my vote to a 'Nay'? Thanks.
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(Original post by joecphillips)
I was open to working with the government on this but once again they failed to follow through.
So if the father does not wish to have the baby, he is not forced to take care of it , financially contribute??
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So if the father does not wish to have the baby, he is not forced to take care of it , financially contribute??
That is correct but it also means he would not have any parental rights as well
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(Original post by Gladstone1885)
Would you please make sure I vote aye? Page froze.
You have.

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Mr Speaker, can you change my vote to a 'Nay'? Thanks.
One Abstention has been changed to a No for seat 21.
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(Original post by joecphillips)
I was open to working with the government on this but once again they failed to follow through.
Why do you think that?
The fact that you are allowing rapists to do this is abhorrent. They should have to pay full support and have no parental rights.
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Why do you think that?
The fact that you are allowing rapists to do this is abhorrent. They should have to pay full support and have no parental rights.
I waited until the final day before this was due to be withdrawn for someone to get back to me before I submitted it, there was also a different bill (I'm not sure if it is a labour or government bill) which there hasn't been a response for weeks.

Why not instead of blocking this you help pass it and then amend it?
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(Original post by joecphillips)
I was open to working with the government on this but once again they failed to follow through.
Well done on the failed attempt to fire shots - definitely makes me want to vote for this. This is a contentious issue for us and if you felt you'd been left waiting you could have followed up. Traditionally the Speaker allows items to move forward after expiration and of course you had the option of further readings that incorporated our suggestions.
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Well done on the failed attempt to fire shots - definitely makes me want to vote for this. This is a contentious issue for us and if you felt you'd been left waiting you could have followed up. Traditionally the Speaker allows items to move forward after expiration and of course you had the option of further readings that incorporated our suggestions.
I was happy to send it to division a week ago but like I said I was open to working with you so I delayed doing so and then there was no update from you.

I guess I had too much faith in you to actually do what you said you would do.

Is that how you run your party here is a deadline it doesn't matter if you miss it? That isn't how I like to do things.
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(Original post by joecphillips)
I was happy to send it to division a week ago but like I said I was open to working with you so I delayed doing so and then there was no update from you.

I guess I had too much faith in you to actually do what you said you would do.

Is that how you run your party here is a deadline it doesn't matter if you miss it? That isn't how I like to do things.
You obviously didn't have that much faith cos you didn't follow up. Collaboration is a two-way street.
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You obviously didn't have that much faith cos you didn't follow up. Collaboration is a two-way street.
It is a 2 way street but you have to follow through on what you say you will do within it and here the person who asked to collaborate couldn't be bothered to do a easy task and like I said I had a bill I was already prepared to send to division
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(Original post by joecphillips)
It is a 2 way street but you have to follow through on what you say you will do within it and here the person who asked to collaborate couldn't be bothered to do a easy task and like I said I had a bill I was already prepared to send to division
Making this bill acceptable and committing people to supporting it wasn't an easy task and I was planning on 'following through'. Your job - i.e. Keeping this bill from Division until it would be acceptable to everyone was, however, a very easy task indeed.
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Making this bill acceptable and committing people to supporting it wasn't an easy task and I was planning on 'following through'. Your job - i.e. Keeping this bill from Division until it would be acceptable to everyone was, however, a very easy task indeed.
Yes but when I see a deadline I make sure I hit it I don't expect others to just say it's ok you missed it submit it whenever you like
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Yes but when I see a deadline I make sure I hit it I don't expect others to just say it's ok you missed it submit it whenever you like
Meh, another reading was available. Meeting arbitrary deadlines is not as important as doing it right - and this hasn't been done right.
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