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B1101 – Incest Decriminalisation Bill 2017 Watch

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    I support this but only if the age is brought up to 18. If I'm not mistaken, its illegal for a 16yr old to be sexually active with someone 18 and above.
    I also don't believe that they should be allowed to procreate but I'm not sure how that could be implemented without breaching human rights
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    (Original post by isuckedthepope)
    Only an inbred would condone such disgusting act!
    If you read my post again, you'll see I clearly said "I don't condone it in any way, but two consenting adults having sex shouldn't be illegal."

    I'd advise some basic primary education if your reading comprehension is that bad...
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    If you read my post again, you'll see I clearly said "I don't condone it in any way, but two consenting adults having sex shouldn't be illegal."

    I'd advise some basic primary education if your reading comprehension is that bad...
    You're wrong! I shouldn't have to pay for their disabled child's welfare in the future!
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    (Original post by isuckedthepope)
    You're wrong! I shouldn't have to pay for their disabled child's welfare in the future!
    I actually agree, to an extent, funnily enough; hence my reply to Jammy where I said that it's the responsibility of the parents if they choose to have a child in this way, I support the abolition of benefits alltogether and believe in a voluntary charity based welfare system instead.

    But, realistically that's never gonna happen so I support the welfare state as a necessary evil, however I do aim to limit it where necessary.
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    It's odious. But consenting adults of sound mind are just that - consenting adults of sound mind. We've moved beyond laws and legislation that restrict individual liberty and privacy. The 'children are at risk of defects' argument doesn't yield any merit.

    I don't see why members would be against the bill being proposed.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    I actually agree, to an extent, funnily enough; hence my reply to Jammy where I said that it's the responsibility of the parents if they choose to have a child in this way, I support the abolition of benefits alltogether and believe in a voluntary charity based welfare system instead.

    But, realistically that's never gonna happen so I support the welfare state as a necessary evil, however I do aim to limit it where necessary.
    If charity could solve all the world's problems... it would. End of the story tbh. This coming from someone considering a career in NGOs and such.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    If charity could solve all the world's problems... it would. End of the story tbh. This coming from someone considering a career in NGOs and such.
    Wouldn't you agree though, that if people suffer from homelessness and the like when benefits are removed, that would push more people to donate to charities to help the poor?

    All hypothetical of course, and likely will stay that way as I say, pragmatically the abolition of social security would never get popular support.
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    Liberal priorities...
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Wouldn't you agree though, that if people suffer from homelessness and the like when benefits are removed, that would push more people to donate to charities to help the poor?

    All hypothetical of course, and likely will stay that way as I say, pragmatically the abolition of social security would never get popular support.
    I've made this point - can't remember if it was to you though - before. I am of a cynical disposition. I am more inclined to believe that in a country where a government that would do what you're suggesting could win an election the people would have shown just how willing they are to help the poor and unfortunate. Indeed, I suspect there'd be a great sense of 'well if the government doesn't think they're important, why should I' and that this monumental decision would lead to a massive cultural and moral degredation. Alternatively, there might be a slight increase in charitable donation (though I suspect most people disgusted by the government's actions would express that through hashtags and retweets rather than doing anything useful) it would never come anywhere close to making up for the loss of the safety net.
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    (Original post by ATW1)
    Liberal priorities...
    Why I am not a liberal member, or part of the new libertarians, it is a pretty easy first bill to write in terms of content for a party which hasn't even official formed yet, and therefore doesn't even have a subforum as of yet. Agreeable or not is not what I am arguing, but simply that this isn't a priority, but an easy way to show activity for a group looking to become a party.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    A child with a severe disability is born, and that is the responsibility of the parents, they are all aware that that is the result of unprotected incestual sex...
    Seems harsh on the child.

    I don't want a society full of Habsburgs, nay
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    The Royal Households approve.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    As a self described libertarian socialist (you even have the anarcho-syndicalist flag as your avatar) I find that very hypocritical.
    My views have shifted - I can’t find a good flag generator😂😂 I’m more authoritarian than I was, I’m more of a Marxist-Leninist or Maoist.
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    (Original post by frankielogue)
    My views have shifted - I can’t find a good flag generator😂😂 I’m more authoritarian than I was, I’m more of a Marxist-Leninist or Maoist.
    Erm ok, I don't know how I feel about people thinking Maoism is ok, but capitalism isn't...

    But that's off topic.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Erm ok, I don't know how I feel about people thinking Maoism is ok, but capitalism isn't...

    But that's off topic.
    PM me your issues with it, unless you’re gonna quote the Black Book of Communism, which was disproven.
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    (Original post by Obiejess)
    Nay. Absolute nay. Symptomatic of mental health issues, not something to be accepted socially.

    Also a family member will always be in a 'position of trust' so this brings up ethical issues.
    Not something to be accepted socially.

    just lmao, stop...
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    I may be labelled as a perv here, but I do support the decriminalisation of sexual relationships between uncles/aunts and nephew/nieces - largely because a significant minority are around the same age.

    As for the others highlighted in the bill, oh hell naw. That really is sick. No to this bill
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    (Original post by Gladstone1885)
    Seems harsh on the child.

    I don't want a society full of Habsburgs, nay
    Would you support banning people with Down's Syndrome having sex as well? It's essentially the same thing, as ByronicHero explained in the notes, it is harsh for them to force a child into the world with a disability in this way, when they could've done something about it, but I think we should support those cases in the same way we support kids with serious disabilities now.
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    I support this but only if the age is brought up to 18. If I'm not mistaken, its illegal for a 16yr old to be sexually active with someone 18 and above.
    I also don't believe that they should be allowed to procreate but I'm not sure how that could be implemented without breaching human rights
    Ummm, if the age of consent is 16 then they could have sex with somebody 108 the second they turn 16 with no legal issues, you're thinking of the romeo and Juliet clauses in the US

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Ummm, if the age of consent is 16 then they could have sex with somebody 108 the second they turn 16 with no legal issues, you're thinking of the romeo and Juliet clauses in the US

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    Oh, thx for clearing that up
 
 
 
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