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    (Original post by Saviorz)
    First of all there is no evidence that there is an increase in ghettos. So this would mean there won't necessarily be a greater number of conservative muslims. The person you replied to said that the conservative views would plateau and decline, which you conveniently ignored.
    Planta and I were both making conjunctures. I said that it is very possible that the number of radical Muslims still continue to grow.


    (Original post by Saviorz)
    Second of all, a correlation between ghettos and extremism does not mean that ghettos are the root cause of extremism nor does it spur extremism. Ghettos are just a term used by people to make it seem like some sort of invasion. The whole point of the fallacy is that its used by lazy people that fail to consider all the factors within an issue, in this case socio-economic ones.
    It is obvious that when you live among people that all share the same extreme views and with little contact with the rest of the population, you are far more likely to develop the same extreme views.
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    (Original post by subhastar)
    As a Ummah, we're not doing well, there's no unity between Muslims anymore.
    The unity of the Ummah has never existed. Muslims have always been divided since the death of Muhammad.
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    http://www.itv.com/news/london/2016-...mes-in-london/
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    That's only because among muslims everybody's called Mohammed, whereas white and other ethnic group don't give their children the same name.

    If 5% of the UK changed their name to Bob - Bob will be the most popular name. But it doesn't the all the Bobs are taking over the country.
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    (Original post by ThePricklyOne)
    That's only because among muslims everybody's called Mohammed, whereas white and other ethnic group don't give their children the same name.

    If 5% of the UK changed their name to Bob - Bob will be the most popular name. But it doesn't the all the Bobs are taking over the country.
    Precisely, there are several variations of the name. Two of them are in the top ten.
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    Sorry to jump back to the Isis point (hate them) but I think it's important to take into account what turns people to terrorism rather than just to make it out that they simply decided to 'hate the west' and to the lgbt point standing as a Muslim knowing alot in my area it's not regarded as 'different' or hated its your own life and to use statistics which I guess i know what you mean but for a fully representative account it doesn't make sense so I guess in short to say that Islam is extremist is a person's interpretation of it, not the whole religious populations
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    (Original post by Saviorz)
    Don't cite a Daily Mail article and expect people to take you seriously.
    Don't dismiss an article simply on the grounds of the name of the newspaper it was published in and expect people to take you seriously.
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    (Original post by c0lew0rld)
    As Islamophobia is on the rise, and it's only going to get worst as time goes by.
    what you think will happen in 20 years will the Muslim continue to grow, or will all Muslim be departed in present .
    I think the second is likely more (i'm Muslim btw)
    Mass deportations seem highly unlikely. Blanket bans on further migration from Islamic nations is a much more likely possibility.
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      (Original post by Cxvphr)
      I think it's important to take into account what turns people to terrorism rather than just to make it out that they simply decided to 'hate the west'
      It is indeed important but the long and short of it is that most people (excepting the insane and some others) are accountable for their own actions. Let's say that foreign policy was the demonstrable and only cause of Muslims partaking in terrorism - what changes? Is the person any less guilty because he had a grievance? Of course not. People have grievances all the time, every day of the week. I'm not justified in beating my boss to death with a fire extinguisher because he yelled at me or generally goes the extra mile to make my life hell. Moreover, there's a clear moral issue with giving a handful of reactionaries a veto on the foreign policy of a sovereign state...
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      (Original post by c0lew0rld)
      As Islamophobia is on the rise, and it's only going to get worst as time goes by.
      what you think will happen in 20 years will the Muslim continue to grow, or will all Muslim be departed in present .
      I think the second is likely more (i'm Muslim btw)
      Muslims in the west will continue to grow unless they do.

      A something truely awful like a dirty bomb

      Or

      B they make large continual attacks one after another for a few years.


      It's going to take something really big basically to expel them


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      (Original post by paul514)
      Muslims in the west will continue to grow unless they do.

      A something truely awful like a dirty bomb

      Or

      B they make large continual attacks one after another for a few years.


      It's going to take something really big basically to expel them


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      It depends on whether European countries fall to what the BBC calls the "Far Right." and whether the EU survives.

      If Le Pen wins in France this spring we could see an attempt at a big crackdown on Muslims but EU Law will protect them. If that happens all bets are off, and the future is very hard to predict. Correction, impossible...
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      (Original post by c0lew0rld)
      As Islamophobia is on the rise, and it's only going to get worst as time goes by.
      what you think will happen in 20 years will the Muslim continue to grow, or will all Muslim be departed in present .
      I think the second is likely more (i'm Muslim btw)
      of course they do have a future - most muslims i know dont want to leave the west ( certainly dont want to live under islamic law land) currently the west is questioninng its whole attitude to multiculturalism, (not jsut the far right nutjobs who have a problem with everyone ) but slowly more regualrl ppl - not because of problems with all cultures, but becuase of issues with islamists and thier extremism and also lack of integration to the west. if muslims make the efforts to integrate better, to be progressive, to actively attack the fundamentalists in their own communty and not constantly promote arabic thinking from 1200 years ago in modern life - then theres no reason why things cant improve. then the only problems in society woudl be with the minority far right racists that have always existed. the solutions have to come from both sides.
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      (Original post by Chakede)
      of course they do have a future - most muslims i know dont want to leave the west ( certainly dont want to live under islamic law land) currently the west is questioninng its whole attitude to multiculturalism, (not jsut the far right nutjobs who have a problem with everyone ) but slowly more regualrl ppl - not because of problems with all cultures, but becuase of issues with islamists and thier extremism and also lack of integration to the west. if muslims make the efforts to integrate better, to be progressive, to actively attack the fundamentalists in their own communty and not constantly promote arabic thinking from 1200 years ago in modern life - then theres no reason why things cant improve. then the only problems in society woudl be with the minority far right racists that have always existed. the solutions have to come from both sides.
      Well durr the whole issue is about integration aka assimilation


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      (Original post by Ray04)
      Apparently neither are you, tell me how can you generalise 2+million British muslims from a sample of 1000? That's like a sample of 0.05% and you think that's representative?
      Yes it ****ing well is, in fact I would say the views would be worse in places like Pakistan etc
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      (Original post by NativesofEurope)
      Yes it ****ing well is, in fact I would say the views would be worse in places like Pakistan etc
      To say 0.05% of a population is a representative number is simply idiotic, perhaps there are people who think in these ways, but it certainly isn't representative of all.
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      Have a future?

      They are the future!
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      (Original post by Ray04)
      "tried and tested science which has shown to be pretty accurate" - surveys showed brexit wouldn't happen, then brexit happened. Surveys showed trump wouldn't become president, trump became president. & many more instances where surveys, polls and statistics simply failed - http://www.statisticsviews.com/detai...verywhere.html
      Dude, do yourself a favour and never talk about statistics again because you obviously have no f*cking idea how they work. I can bring up 100x more instances of polling data predicting the correct event than getting it wrong. Trumps election is the ultimate outlier/anomouly.
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      I made a comment on here and it got removed and I'm really offended that TSR didn't think my comment was appropriate but feels that the thread is! Lets see how long this comment stays up!
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      Bigots on tsr conspiring against Muslims.
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      And is that the conclusion of your study or is based on misinformation and lack of study. Amazing most of the victims of terror are Muslims perpetrated by the western governments and yet Islam gets the blame. Please study, at a humane level, you owe it yourself to study without preconceived ideas and prejudice before you make assumptions and hate entire people .
     
     
     
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