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    (Original post by BigYoSpeck)
    Man is an example of biology, man existing and thinking isn't a scientific application of biology.



    The materials and chemicals aren't evil, mans motives when developing them were. I'm still sticking with more evil having been done with scientific advancements in the field of chemistry, and more scientific advancements in the field of chemistry come from evil motivations than the other sciences.
    But evil motivations.......that's biology.

    Also Maths. 'Coz when mankind couldn't count beyond 4, they stayed in the cave instead of developing more sophisticated societies which then waged war on each other.
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    (Original post by surina16)
    Ahem.

    Philosophy
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    (Original post by jneill)
    Ahem.

    Philosophy
    But Philosophy isn't a science...
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    (Original post by ThePricklyOne)
    But Philosophy isn't a science...
    o rly?

    Tell that to Newton.
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    Astrology, followed by psychology.
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    (Original post by ThePricklyOne)
    But evil motivations.......that's biology.

    Also Maths. 'Coz when mankind couldn't count beyond 4, they stayed in the cave instead of developing more sophisticated societies which then waged war on each other.
    Yes, it's biology, but it's naturally occurring biology, not the application of the science of biology.

    Malaria has killed more humans than anything else. That is biology. The study of it is biological science, but it wasn't caused by an application of science. It's natural.

    The second biggest killer of humans is other humans. The motivations for doing so are biology, but they are not created by biological science, only studied by it. The methods those humans use to kill each other will be a scientifically engineered tool like a knife, a gun, a bomb, poison. The science behind those tools is chemistry. Ergo chemistry is the evilest of the sciences in its application.
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    (Original post by surina16)
    True story. :holmes::holmes:
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    (Original post by jneill)
    o rly?

    Tell that to Newton.
    Back the in Newton's time, Humanities was supreme and a gentleman learned this before he's allowed to get anywhere near the science. Also back then, religion (theology) was considered very important, too.

    But today, Humanities (where Philosophy sits) and Science (Maths, Physics etc) are separate fields.
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    (Original post by ThePricklyOne)
    Back the in Newton's time, Humanities was supreme and a gentleman learned this before he's allowed to get anywhere near the science. Also back then, religion (theology) was considered very important, too.

    But today, Humanities (where Philosophy sits) and Science (Maths, Physics etc) are separate fields.
    Without philosophy there is no science. It's at the heart of all knowledge.

    Principia is a philosophy text. The clue is in the title.

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    (Original post by jneill)
    Without philosophy there is no science. It's at the heart of all knowledge.

    Principia is a philosophy text. clue is in the title.

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    Titles don't make it philosophy. Back then a lot of books has God in the title - doesn't make it theology.

    Philosophy is not at the heart of all knowledge, save in the minds of philosophers.

    God is not at the heart of all knowledge, save in the minds of believers.

    I'm not referring to the past, where people may have thought this way, I'm only interested in how things are today.
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    (Original post by BigYoSpeck)
    Man is an example of biology, man existing and thinking isn't a scientific application of biology.



    The materials and chemicals aren't evil, mans motives when developing them were. I'm still sticking with more evil having been done with scientific advancements in the field of chemistry, and more scientific advancements in the field of chemistry come from evil motivations than the other sciences.
    Man is applying his thinking and ingenuity to make those things which isn't possible without biology.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    Man is applying his thinking and ingenuity to make those things which isn't possible without biology.
    It's not science though.
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    (Original post by BigYoSpeck)
    It's not science though.
    The chemical and biological processes that keep a man alive and allow him to make decisions and think isn't science? Better tell the biologists that!
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    Chemistry.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    The chemical and biological processes that keep a man alive and allow him to make decisions and think isn't science? Better tell the biologists that!
    these are the subject of scientific enquiry but are not themselves Science. Science is a method not a thing.
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    (Original post by cambio wechsel)
    these are the subject of scientific enquiry but are not themselves Science. Science is a method not a thing.
    I'm not saying a man is science. I'm saying that biology is responsible for living things and thus their ability to create things. By the same logic, it is not chemistry that kills people by nuclear warfare or whatever.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    The chemical and biological processes that keep a man alive and allow him to make decisions and think isn't science? Better tell the biologists that!
    Something just being, isn't a science. So we are examples of biology. The science is in studying and understanding that biology. We do what we do regardless of if we have the science to understand it. So saying man is evil, man is biology, so biology is evil is a false conclusion.

    Materials and chemicals still exist naturally. Studying and understanding them is the science of chemistry. We then use that understanding to create better ways of killing each other. The science of chemistry directly contributes towards evil acts.
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    (Original post by BigYoSpeck)
    Something just being, isn't a science. So we are examples of biology. The science is in studying and understanding that biology. We do what we do regardless of if we have the science to understand it. So saying man is evil, man is biology, so biology is evil is a false conclusion.

    Materials and chemicals still exist naturally. Studying and understanding them is the science of chemistry. We then use that understanding to create better ways of killing each other. The science of chemistry directly contributes towards evil acts.
    I'm not really saying biology is evil, it's more parodying your ridiculous assertion that it's chemistry in and of itself that kills people.

    No, that's once again false. The scientific method is just studying things and can in and of itself kill no one, including the study of chemistry. You're trying to have your cake and eat it here. If you're claiming it's chemical processes that are used in weapons that kill people and thus chemistry is bad, then I can say it's biological processes in man's body that allow him to make things that kill people etc. There is no real difference in the reasoning. You're also changing the goalposts as this thread wasn't about the applications of science, but about the science itself, otherwise I can say it's man applying his biological understanding of how to annihilate organisms! Moreover, the definition of evil is subjective.

    Also, have you not heard of biological warfare?
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    I'm not really saying biology is evil, it's more parodying your ridiculous assertion that it's chemistry in and of itself that kills people.

    No, that's once again false. The scientific method is just studying things and can of itself not kill anyone, including the study of chemistry. You're trying to have your cake and eat it here. If you're claiming it's chemical processes that are used in weapons that kill people and thus chemistry is bad, then I can say it's biological processes in man's body that allows him to make things that kill people etc. There is no real difference in the reasoning.

    Also, have you not heard of biological warfare?
    Yeah that's true you can then say that for Physics as well.
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    (Original post by S2M)
    Yeah that's true you can then say that for Physics as well.
    Indeed, quite nonsensical really.
 
 
 
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