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B1101 – Incest Decriminalisation Bill 2017 (Second Reading) Watch

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    How much bills do you get through per day
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    (Original post by ByronicHero)
    I didn't say you did; I was explaining the broad rationale for that section's inclusion. If I was addressing your beliefs directly I'd have made it clear. Gad we agree, though.

    Well, that seems fine. If a general sexual health pack is more palatable then I see no reason to object to it. That kind of information is always useful for people to have anyway.
    I realise that the way I worded that sounded defensive. I meant that I agree with you that the concerns re: imminent nationwide incest infatuation are largely unfounded.

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    It's still an aye from me as it was in the first reading.
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    (Original post by RedManc)
    How much bills do you get through per day
    I created two new ones today (one will go up tomorrow) and this second reading.They are not mind-blowing bills, but I am making my point about the relative activity of the proposed Libertarian party (with me in it) and the others.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I realise that the way I worded that sounded defensive. I meant that I agree with you that the concerns re: imminent nationwide incest infatuation are largely unfounded.

    Aye.
    Internet gna internet.

    Glad to have the support.
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    Still nay, because of the whole position of trust thing held by family members over others.

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    I actually preferred the original bill. I would still vote Aye.
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    (Original post by Obiejess)
    Still nay, because of the whole position of trust thing held by family members over others.

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    No worries, thanks for explaining why.

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    I actually preferred the original bill. I would still vote Aye.
    Me too, but alas concessions must sometimes be made in the interest of progress. Glad you can still support it
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    Aye.
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    Don't want to sound stupid even though I most definitely do, but is this real??
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    (Original post by Mattysbabe)
    Don't want to sound stupid even though I most definitely do, but is this real??
    No, this is a Model House of Commons - you might have a Model UN at you're school/uni. It's like that - people write hypothetical legislation which we debate.
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    Still Nay.
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    (Original post by Nirvana1989-1994)
    Still Nay.
    Why?
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    (Original post by Conceited)
    Why?
    Because, like other people said, position of trust issue with family members, and I said nay before.
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    (Original post by Nirvana1989-1994)
    Because, like other people said, position of trust issue with family members, and I said nay before.
    Seems strange not to give 21 year olds the capacity to make their own decisions, but fair enough. Thanks for explaining why.
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    (Original post by ByronicHero)
    Seems strange not to give 21 year olds the capacity to make their own decisions, but fair enough. Thanks for explaining why.
    Meh. It's fine.
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    hmmm

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    I don't support this. As far as I can see, there is absolutely no way incest between close family members could possibly have evolved naturally - with a 40% plus rate of severe birth defects, natural selection would have very quickly gone "lolno" to any gene which predisposed people to it unless it had some utterly ridiculous other beneficial effect. I therefore believe that nearly all cases of incest involve either abuse or mental health issues rather than any innate sexual desire for a close family member - and people suffering from either need support, not encouragement.
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    I don't support this. As far as I can see, there is absolutely no way incest between close family members could possibly have evolved naturally - with a 40% plus rate of severe birth defects, natural selection would have very quickly gone "lolno" to any gene which predisposed people to it unless it had some utterly ridiculous other beneficial effect. I therefore believe that nearly all cases of incest involve either abuse or mental health issues rather than any innate sexual desire for a close family member - and people suffering from either need support, not encouragement.
    There's a 3% increased chance of a birth defect with children between first cousins which is of course presumably higher with closer relations like siblings, but a '40% plus rate' - really? Where'd you get that?

    The fact is that first generation children brought about by incest don't typically have defects. It takes multiple generations to have children with birth defects. Moreover, you're assuming that incest would generally be for procreation - what about simply for pleasure?

    Relationships forming out of abuse and mental heath issues could happen regardless of what type of intimate relationship is being discussed.

    So, now we have one argument remaining. That it is disgusting and odious, which I agree with. However, it doesn't warrant incestuous relationships being against the law for adults and that is why members should support the bill.

    No encouragement. It's simply permitting people of age to make their own decisions without having their individual liberties and privacy infringed.
 
 
 
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