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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Except by forcing it upon religious institutions it is government interference. Any implementation should simply to recognise gay marriage under the law, and not bother touching the religious side of things

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    True, but it's the government which permits churches and other religious institutions the right to grant binding marriages. It would hardly be "interference" if the government insisted they either conduct all legal marriages, or lose their right to conduct any at all.
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    Please do not put Jeremy Corbyn and ****** together!
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    True, but it's the government which permits churches and other religious institutions the right to grant binding marriages. It would hardly be "interference" if the government insisted they either conduct all legal marriages, or lose their right to conduct any at all.
    The marriage is only binding because of the signing of the necessary paperwork, all disallowing the paperwork from being done in the institution does is means a journey to the registrar.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Except by forcing it upon religious institutions it is government interference. Any implementation should simply to recognise gay marriage under the law, and not bother touching the religious side of things

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    Quite. That is what has happened. No church, mosque, synagogue, temple etc. has been forced to have gay marriage. Religious people do what they want; non religious people do what they want too. Seems fair.
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    (Original post by richpanda)
    They are the antithesis of liberalism. They support a BIG state, they hate personal freedoms and they hate most of all Western heritage.

    They support the destruction of free speech on university campuses, where if you say something remotely 'disagreeable', you are faced with the mob and pressure for the university to kick you out.

    Get accused of rape? No need to get the police involved and go through the proper legal courts, just take the woman's word for it and go through the university kangaroo court.

    They say that they are on the side of the poor, that they want to reduce house prices (particularly Corbyn, not really an American issue), yet favour uncontrolled immigration in to our already overpopulated small island!

    When will these people come to their senses?
    A big state is just a recognition that we need to pull together to provide certain basic human needs - health service, sewage, roads etc. If we are not to revert to the free for all chaos of the early 19th century we acknowledge that we all need to contribute , preferably in proportion to our financial ability, surely.

    There really is no necessarily just system of wages, salaries or earnings in most countries so we even things out by taxing people on a sliding scale tp provide for what we need/want etc.

    One person's 'personal freedom can be another person's criminal attack. This is why we have laws restricting free speech so that you cannot incite violent crime eg.

    Immigration needs careful consideration. We are an ageing population and desperately need more young people to pay for the ageing population's needs - pensions, medical care.

    Most immigrants are cheap - we haven't had to pay for their education, they are healthier than the general population, they are strivers. The problems come when the Government fails to plan for sufficient housing , schools , training of nurses and doctors etc.

    It may also be in the interest of some employers to try and force down wages by exploiting immigrants. This is why we need to have good employments Laws and access to Employment Tribunals. It may be in the interests of some people to blame immigrants for our problems to distract from their own failures, when indeed they may be part of the solution economically.

    It is certainly cheaper for us to accept doctors / nurses from the Indian Sub Continent than train our own.However it is neither fair on our young people who are not being trained nor fair on those countries whose doctors we are taking.

    After WW2 we had the Marshall Plan . We borrowed money from America to invest in our country, otherwise our recovery would have been much slower. (Our national Debt was much bigger than now.) This is what we need to do now - borrow to invest while interest rates are very low. It's what every business man does.
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    Liberal, at least as it's used in political terms, doesn't generally have much in common with your definition as is more a social term rather than an economic one. So the left typically have socially liberal views concerning things like gay marriage, abortion, worker's rights, education and are hence termed liberals.

    Seems like you have conveniently missed those points out, though
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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    Allowing gay marriage isn't governmental interference in religious institutions, it's allowing gay people to marry even though some religious institutions disapprove of it.
    It does arguably go against states rights in the USA as that is where marriage laws are supposed to come from.
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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    Yeah in America they generally use "conservative" and "liberal" as terms to represent the right and the left.

    American politics is a bit different in that the socially liberal but economically small-state low-tax types are not really in the mainstream whereas in the UK the likes of Cameron and Osborne were prominent in the Conservative party. The US Republican party is dominated by social conservatives and influenced heavily by the religious right. It also includes some protectionist interests which aren't there in the UK Conservative party.
    There are a lot of protectionists in the conservatives and it has a long protectionist history; Benjamin Disraeli founded the ideology of One Nation Conservatism which featured protectionism as a key part of the ideology (interestingly, Theresa May identifies as a One Nation Conservative) equally, the conservatives lost the 1906 election when Joe Chamberlain introduced protectionism which was virulently opposed by the Liberal Party (the traditional party of free trade and economic liberalism, they veered away from this when they merged with the SDP though.) Finally, we also consider that every PM from Churchill to Heath bought into the Post War Consensus, of which protectionism was a major feature.

    Tl;dr it was only post Thatcher that the conservatives supported economic liberalism, they have a long history of supporting protectionism.
 
 
 
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