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    Does this mean that when Aliko Dangote ($12 billion net worth) and Donald Trump ($3 billion net worth) eat at a restaurant together Donald would have to pay more because he's a white man?
    Lmao
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    (Original post by tomtjl)
    Hmm not a fan of DJ mustard hes killing hip hop
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    (Original post by GonvilleBromhead)
    Ah I see. Much more reasonable. Just all white men always because you say so with no evidence. Why can't everyone be like you and care so much about others?
    Back in the old days, anti-racism was fundamentally based on the premise, "Judge someone by the content of their character, not the colour of their skin". Nowadays, self-claimed anti-racists appear to be saying, "Definitely judge people according to their skin colour and gender"
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    (Original post by tomtjl)
    ay yo 420 homie
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    Actually, under this app Asian (as in East Asian) men pay the most.
    The biggest victims of structural racism are Jewish people and Asians. The media goes after White males the most though.
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    If you look on the apps website (http://equitableapp.com/about/), you can see its satire but was created to rob people who seriously think this is a good idea out of money.
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    (Original post by l'etranger)
    ay yo 420 homie
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    Dont judge people on the colour of their skin, unless they are evil whitey as they are all rich and obviously all hate black people
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    Dont judge people on the colour of their skin, unless they are evil whitey as they are all rich and obviously all hate black people
    Definitely more rich white people that hate minorities than there should be.
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    (Original post by l'etranger)
    The biggest victims of structural racism are Jewish people and Asians.
    How do you figure that? Not saying it's not true, I'm interested to hear your take/theory on this

    The media goes after White males the most though.
    A small number of particular media outlets, like Jezebel and HuffPo, might do but they really appeal to a certain demographic, just as Breitbart appeals to people who want to see Muslims, feminists and SJWs attacked. I don't think one can really say that there is some broad societal/governmental design to "go after" white males though
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    How do you figure that? Not saying it's not true, I'm interested to hear your take/theory on this
    The university quotas in the USA making it harder for Jewish people to obtain places no longer exists for Jewish-Americans, but has since been applied to Asian-Americans. It's the definition of structural privilege, since it can actually be objectively measured and is enshrined in law.



    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    A small number of particular media outlets, like Jezebel and HuffPo, might do but they really appeal to a certain demographic, just as Breitbart appeals to people who want to see Muslims, feminists and SJWs attacked. I don't think one can really say that there is some broad societal/governmental design to "go after" white males though
    If you look at it in a very critical way, White males are attacked in a way, particularly in academia, which would not be accepted if White men had not already been defined as being in a position of privilege. If someone were to argue that Obama only won the American election in 2008/12 due to the ethnocentrism of African-Americans many of whom only voted for him because he's seen as the Black guy, you would raise a lot of eyebrows. Yet if you argue that Hillary only lost because of societal sexism whereby people are less likely to trust the most qualified woman over the least qualified man, people are ok with that. I don't personally take any issue with benevolent African-American ethnocentrism, it's not hateful, but I will criticise leftists, most of whom are themselves White, for their attacks on White men which are genuinely mean spirited.
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    (Original post by GonvilleBromhead)
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    Enjoy your privilege
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    Enjoy your privilege
    Ah that's sweet, no sensible answer to the fact you're a bigot so just ignore everything that has been said and hide behind a silly buzzword you can't even justify the use of.
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    (Original post by GonvilleBromhead)
    Ah that's sweet, no sensible answer to the fact you're a bigot so just ignore everything that has been said and hide behind a silly buzzword you can't even justify the use of.
    What can one answer to someone who admits he cannot see past his privilege accusing others of making up discrimination?
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    smart, but white men would just refuse to go out and eat with anyone else if they pull this app out.
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    What can one answer to someone who admits he cannot see past his privilege accusing others of making up discrimination?
    That's a decent misrepresentation, out of context it almost looks convincing. You are the only person in the conversation criticising people for what they are not who they are and pretending I 'admitted' anything because you can't validate the concept so would rather accuse others of being closed minded. What you mean is you have no sensible response so instead of providing any validity to your idea you're insulting someone personally because you can't validate the generality.

    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Its not a buzzword, its a well-documented societal issue.
    (a) In that context its a buzzword by definition so you're misrepresenting
    (b) But the person purporting it cant justify or even provide reference to an issue which if it is 'well documented' should be easy to do
    (c) Well documented by whom? High flying professionals who are pioneers in their field or gender studies departments
    (d) Where is the evidence? This principle of privilege is illogical in principle because it essentially establishes your situation is less important than your birth characteristics which is completely ludicrous because if it had such a massive effect the sampling would be constant ie the advantaged people would be advantaged in all instances not just some. For examples see Tre Melvin who thinks his $1m dollar self is 'less privileged' than a homeless white person (his words)
    (e) It's cart before the horse. 99% of Nigerian TV is black. Is that structurally racist against whites? Are they privileged just by right of being a majority? If no then its a racist supposition as its only applied to white people, if yes then what is your solution for world parity of races regardless of personal choice and how is such a theory not reductionist
    (f) How can complex socio-cognitive interactions be boiled down to simply one is white the other isn't? It sounds stupid prima facie and dressing it up with academic language doesn't make it any more sensible that a privileged class also suffer in their own system and are the only class not to be promoted in their own society (affirmative action, the BBC BAME only apprenticeship etc) as well as often being worse off than those supposedly 'less privileged' which apparently is a birth right by what people are despite the data being so spread out as to make identifying a trend in any scientifically valid method impossible unless you ignore history and the fact a majority x colour country has its most influential people and class made up of x colour group which is the sensible explanation as to their 'overrepresentation' (alongside the fact they're a landed class or inherited from such so are often either very rich or middle class rich from birth. Not many working class origin CEO's around)
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    (Original post by Aria Enoshima)
    If you look on the apps website (http://equitableapp.com/about/), you can see its satire
    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Yes, AFAIK it was originally satirical
    It would be satire if she was criticising the discriminatory view of equality that the regressive left extol. But it's the opposite; she agrees with the app and she has a website devoted to "mapping privilege". Presenting something in comedic fashion doesn't make it satirical and their website is quite clear:

    When it's time to split the bill, EquiTable helps you avoid the entrenched discrimination that exists in our society. It doesn't split the bill equally—it splits it equitably. You pay what you should to balance out the wage gap.
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    (Original post by GonvilleBromhead)
    That's a decent misrepresentation, out of context it almost looks convincing. You are the only person in the conversation criticising people for what they are not who they are and pretending I 'admitted' anything because you can't validate the concept so would rather accuse others of being closed minded. What you mean is you have no sensible response so instead of providing any validity to your idea you're insulting someone personally because you can't validate the generality.
    No, just a summary of what you wrote, accusing them of feeling discriminated even though in your eyes they are not. Not a misrepresentation at all.
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    No, just a summary of what you wrote, accusing them of feeling discriminated even though in your eyes they are not. Not a misrepresentation at all.
    Your summary of my saying you are being discriminatory for accusing white men as a group and a whole collectively of something which is bigoted by the definition as you are judging them all as one without any respect for individuality or difference is...that an unqualified 'them' feel discriminated against but are not which is somehow a privileged statement for some reason.

    This would be a lot easier if you even tried to back up anything you say.

    I'm presuming this is accipiens ex adverso - the principle being because I don't inherently believe in the concept of privilege then I somehow don't believe discrimination exists? That's ridiculous. The first doesn't presuppose the second. Further its not an 'accusation' - feeling discriminated against is subjective, so it's not an accusation it's an accurate summary of their position but I'm debating the validity as presented ie all white people inherently discriminate and therefore are privileged which is your position, which ironically is discriminatory.

    But rather than try to prove your position or engage in any conversation you've gone from ad hominem attacks to misrepresentation which is a 'summary' (if said summary was what you genuinely took from what I said then I'd work on your critical analysis skills) of a point I never made and a position that I not only don't hold but also doesn't logically make sense. You can't 'accuse' someone of subjectively feeling something when they say they feel it because they objectively feel it. This is why 'feel' makes for bad evidence.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    But its an interesting discussion topic
    No, it isn't. It's thoroughly uninteresting, social justice warrior drivel.
 
 
 
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