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    (Original post by RainbowMan)
    Yes, I'm using foreign words to infuriate the nativist leavers on here. I anticipate your denunciations bros. Come at me.
    A most provocative faux pas.

    Oh crap.
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    (Original post by shawn_o1)
    The UK will not become Zimbabwe.
    who's even claiming that much about the effect of brexit?
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    Hard Brexit? You mean just "Brexit" here we come. If we remain a member of the EU single market (therefore accepting freedom of movement, budget contributions and the jurisdiction of the ECJ), we may as well remain a member of the EU? Anyone supporting continued membership of the single market is doing so in order to subvert the will of the majority of the British people; pure and simple.
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    who's even claiming that much about the effect of brexit?
    apparently, the pro-EU trolls would go that far.
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    Little-Englanders can have their country back whilst the rest of the world leaves them behind. I've never been so relieved to have dual-citizenship.
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    The problem is that it turns out 'access to' is meaningless. Pre-referendum it meant we could retain tariff-free trade without freedom of movement. What does it mean now that we've learnt we can't have that?
    Look, access to essentially reflects our trading arrangements at the moment. We will be seeking full and broadest access to the single market, which is what we have as of now. Non-tariff barriers are more important than tariff barriers, especially for supply chains across the continent relying on exports to the UK. If the EU wants to be rational about this, and aim for a mutually advantageous strategic partnership between themselves and the UK, then they will ensure such barriers remain minimal.

    The EU has a plethora of problems facing itself right now. The last thing it should do is raise trade barriers with its largest export market in the world. Fair enough if they do so to make a spiteful political point, and I wouldn't put it past them given their irrationality, but they will be digging their own grave.

    I have been inclined to believe that this rhetoric surrounding FoM being intrinsically linked to free trade has been their reluctance to accept the result and their attempt to scare us into reconsideration. Faced with the reality of economic loss across the continent if they do not agree a comprehensive FTA with us, they should gradually come to their senses, but, again, dogma will probably convolute this. They will not be helping themselves.
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    (Original post by Plagioclase)
    Little-Englanders can have their country back whilst the rest of the world leaves them behind. I've never been so relieved to have dual-citizenship.
    could you elaborate upon this mix of vague impressions?

    also..."little england" wasn't the only country that voted out - wales did too. are you calling them "little wales"? in fact, surely if the mentality of independence makes a country "little", then the EU should be called "the little EU" because they close themselves off from international trade via tariffs and non-tariff trade barriers (i.e. quotas, restrictive regulations, etc)? or from a completely different perspective, were all the former british colonies like india, pakistan, canada, australia, etc, becoming "little countries" just because they wanted independence from a higher legal authority? jeeeesh! in fact, why is scotland, a country that almost voted for independence *not* "little scotland" considering that fact compared to england and wales who merely wanted independence from a legal authority as opposed to one based on nationhood? this makes very little sense, doesn't it?
    how is "the world" going to leave a hegemonic force like an independent UK behind? we are literally *the* most influential nation in the world in terms of diplomacy and non-military persuasion. we are also one of the wealthiest nations on the planet. why on *earth* would nations "leave us behind"? how come so many nations have already assented to their plans to freely trade with the UK? where is the logic?
    why is your dual citizenship even remotely relevant? why would you leave the UK over brexit? how on earth would this have a drastic impact on your personal life? is this your claim that you are moving away simply because you feel like you don't belong in the UK any more? wow, what great democratic spirit you have. you lose one referendum and suddenly you kick your boots in and threaten to run away like a little kid does to their mum and dad?
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    (Original post by RainbowMan)
    You're too optimistic. As far as I am concerned, the UK will return to its growing irrelevance and nationalist economic planning that characterised the pre-Thatcher era. Good bye freer trade.
    I think this is a great opportunity to expand free trade, whereas before we were trapped in a protectionist anti-consumer racket.

    (Original post by Maker)
    Leaving the earth would make us interplanetary.
    Exactly why I support Globxit.

    (Original post by TitanicTeutonicPhil)
    I don't hate anyone. I don't hate anti-EU UK citizens. They're just idiots and will now pay the bill for their blind nationalism.

    You cannot commit treason against the EU, but surely against the European idea, a highly valued concept in continental Europe. If pro-EU UK citizens don't feel the same way (how would you know anyway?) it just shows how shallowly anchored the European idea has been and is in the UK.



    Oh, you very much tried that, but thank goodness Brussels wasn't having any of that and threw it back in your face. The speech today just showed that you have no way out anymore but the painful path of a hard exit. It's basically admitting that nothing worked out the way you planned. It was a walk of shame for wannabe dominatrix May.



    You flatter yourself (something you lot like to do) if you call my casual glee an 'obsession'. I think you have much bigger things to worry about now.
    How do you even fit yourself that far up your own ****?
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    (Original post by jape)
    I think this is a great opportunity to expand free trade, whereas before we were trapped in a protectionist anti-consumer racket.



    Exactly why I support Globxit.



    How do you even fit yourself that far up your own ****?
    With whom mate? Trump? the man whose every other sentence is about how China is destroying the US, how he must subsidise and protect US businesses to become more "competitive"? or about how how he wants to eradicate all international labour market competition?

    Who's your ally in the international arena that actually wants free trade?

    Domestically, I give you Hammond, he's probably for free trade. May? no chance.
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    could you elaborate upon this mix of vague impressions?

    also..."little england" wasn't the only country that voted out - wales did too. are you calling them "little wales"? in fact, surely if the mentality of independence makes a country "little", then the EU should be called "the little EU" because they close themselves off from international trade via tariffs and non-tariff trade barriers (i.e. quotas, restrictive regulations, etc)? or from a completely different perspective, were all the former british colonies like india, pakistan, canada, australia, etc, becoming "little countries" just because they wanted independence from a higher legal authority? jeeeesh! in fact, why is scotland, a country that almost voted for independence *not* "little scotland" considering that fact compared to england and wales who merely wanted independence from a legal authority as opposed to one based on nationhood? this makes very little sense, doesn't it?
    how is "the world" going to leave a hegemonic force like an independent UK behind? we are literally *the* most influential nation in the world in terms of diplomacy and non-military persuasion. we are also one of the wealthiest nations on the planet. why on *earth* would nations "leave us behind"? how come so many nations have already assented to their plans to freely trade with the UK? where is the logic?
    why is your dual citizenship even remotely relevant? why would you leave the UK over brexit? how on earth would this have a drastic impact on your personal life? is this your claim that you are moving away simply because you feel like you don't belong in the UK any more? wow, what great democratic spirit you have. you lose one referendum and suddenly you kick your boots in and threaten to run away like a little kid does to their mum and dad?
    You want to know how it affects me? Well for starters, Brexit is going to be absolutely crippling for scientific research into UK, the career I want to go into. This country's total lack of interest in helping young people makes my future prospects depressing enough without giving my chosen career a metaphorical kick in the groin. There are other countries in the world that have genuine respect for young people and those involved in research.

    I've listened to democracy in this country. This country's democratic consensus appears to be one of anti-intellectualism where somebody's uninformed opinion is just as valued as the views of the experts, who have been censored by being branded as the 'filthy elite', whilst the genuine elite are continuously being given more and more power. It's too stupid for me, I've had enough - this referendum is just the tip of the iceberg. I feel absolutely no connection to the prevailing xenophobic views in this country. You can ridicule it as much as you want, but I don't feel welcome here and my European parent who has lived here for decades certainly doesn't.

    I'm not trying to overturn democracy. I'm saying that the democratic decision is utterly moronic and I don't want to have to suffer just because the British population appears to have forgotten the purpose of the organ between their ears.

    Could you please give me one reason why I shouldn't leave given that my future prospects would be significantly better elsewhere?
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    Very happy with the announcement that we will be leaving the single market.
    Im glad that we will be stopping large amounts of money given to EU and instead spending on our own priorities. I believe that NHS and other UK services shall recover as a result. Very happy indeed.
    You realise that about a third of newly recruited nurses last year were from the EU right? And that these nurses are better than our UK trained ones? (their course is 4 years not 3 - gives them loads more skills). And that we import most of our drugs? Not to mention the impact on research.

    The NHS is one of the bodies that will lose out the most from brexit.
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    (Original post by TitanicTeutonicPhil)
    Yup, we never said we wouldn't. Bailing someone out who screwed up badly doesn't mean there's free money to be had. However...




    ... that is just plain BS.





    Don't take it from me, take it from every respected expert - or maybe the GBP course over the 6 months? You, my friend, will probably be unemployed after uni or work a *****y job while Germans your age get decent jobs with good salaries - deal with it.



    Well, your roads sure are shite - I am just sad that you just outed yourself as a xenophobe.




    Yeah, too bad that didn't work out. It's all or nothing, buddy.
    LOL its true Germany recouped all the money they loaned with interest so much for compassion. Germany is a great nation and I actually like them but England is great also. How am I an xenophobe when I myself am Asian and supports immigration as long it is controlled. I am sure we will get a deal so that's fine. Out of all G8 we have the most growth and even IMF and Carney recently declared their predictions were wrong. As for me being unemployed lmao I enjoy quite a good life. I don't want to seem arrogant but I have good things heading my way The future is good for me regardless. Even if things don't work out for Brexit I won't suffer it will mainly be the people up north who voted brexit. We are all brexiters now
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    (Original post by shawn_o1)
    apparently, the pro-EU trolls would go that far.
    There are also brexit racist trolls, do you see remainers undermining the brexit argument because of them?
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    (Original post by RainbowMan)
    Truly Global Britain = leaving the world's largest market? surely, you're joking, Mr Davij?
    Do you know what the largest market in the world is? Oh right it is the world. there is no real reason why everyone should not have the oppertunity for trade deals with anyone else (Within reason as there are always circumstances)
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    Finally the penny has dropped and they have realized the truth that there can be no Brexit whilst remaining in the single market.

    There shall always be opportunity in Britain post-full on Brexit,

    As for the monies saved from the EU going to the NHS and other essential services, that would be wishful thinking at best.

    Free trade agreements, I doubt one will be in place for a while and one must never expect that the EU or other EU member states are stupid as no country in the world would ever get into a deal where it isn't beneficial to them.

    I foresee things will be tough for a few years then after life goes on.
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    (Original post by Plagioclase)
    Little-Englanders can have their country back whilst the rest of the world leaves them behind. I've never been so relieved to have dual-citizenship.
    I wonder if your arrogance and snootiness also extends to Australians, Canadians and New Zealanders. Are they 'Little' because they exclude themselves from supranational political union?
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    (Original post by TitanicTeutonicPhil)
    You know, we don't mind. Because we are Europeans, members of the same community, and help our brothers out. If I were paying taxes in Germany I wouldn't mind some of my tax Euros going to poorer nations. And that's the difference between us and you lot - empathy, solidarity, good-will, you lack all of those things. And that's why it's good you're out and will suffer badly.
    Amen.
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    Do you know what the largest market in the world is? Oh right it is the world. there is no real reason why everyone should not have the oppertunity for trade deals with anyone else (Within reason as there are always circumstances)
    The world is not a market. A market has A set of rules, A set of regulations. The world is made up of many small national markets, each with their own rules and regulations, tariffs, etc. The EU is the among world's largest depending on how you measure it.

    The other contender, the US, is never going to sign a free trade deal with the UK seeing as its overlord, the Donald, is the fiercest opponent of free trade since Lenin.
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    (Original post by RainbowMan)
    With whom mate? Trump? the man whose every other sentence is about how China is destroying the US, how he must subsidise and protect US businesses to become more "competitive"? or about how how he wants to eradicate all international labour market competition?

    Who's your ally in the international arena that actually wants free trade?

    Domestically, I give you Hammond, he's probably for free trade. May? no chance.
    I'm hoping that Boris and Hammond exert enough influence over her to get a decent set of trade deals passed. They'll be ****ed when Labour gets back in anyway (with their support consolidated in major cities on Europa and Mars).

    (Original post by remoaner)
    There are also brexit racist trolls, do you see remainers undermining the brexit argument because of them?
    Yes. Constantly.
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    (Original post by RainbowMan)
    The world is not a market. A market has A set of rules, A set of regulations. The world is made up of many small national markets, each with their own rules and regulations, tariffs, etc. The EU is the among world's largest depending on how you measure it.

    The other contender, the US, is never going to sign a free trade deal with the UK seeing as its overlord, the Donald, is the fiercest opponent of free trade since Lenin.
    I understand what you mean with the market statements but the world is the biggest place we can create and find deals and make trade agreements. the Eu only stopped us from doing that
 
 
 
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