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    I completely agree that the farmer was well within his rights to protect his livestock. However, Mistletoe's claim that huskies are 'deadly', 'untrainable' and that people 'seriously shouldn't get them' are ridiculous. I got my first dog for my 18th and he was a husky x malamute (an Alaskan malamute being in layman's terms a bigger/stronger version of a husky). It's true that they are very independent and stubborn, but absolutely not untrainable and deadly. I got him at 8 weeks and by the end of the week he had mastered all basic commands. I live in the countryside and will always walk him on the lead as I know that they do have a high prey drive and given the chance would chase a rabbit and run off to explore and get lost. However, I pass fields with sheep, cows, chickens, horses and he doesn't bother with them at all. The same with people, he has small children giggling and stroking him and he doesn't bother, just sits calmly and very happy for the attention. Also, any dog (staff, collie, german shepherd or labrador) would know how to kill a sheep if they really wanted to. Just because a husky looks similar to a wolf (what with it's 'pointy ears'), it doesn't make it a wolf. It's a dog, just like any other. I would also like to add that my dog hasn't even turned two yet and his 'trainability' and good nature isn't an exception to the rule, I know many husky owners with lovely natured dogs. Headstrong and incredibly intelligent yes, 'deadly' definitely not. ANY breed of dog has the potential to be a bad dog in the hands of a bad owner, regardless of how it looks or it's size.
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    (Original post by Willy Pete)
    This isn't about whether the lambs would be killed anyway, it is the fact that the farmer is losing money by not being able to sell his stock if it has been killed.
    The farmer didn't lose any money and he couldn't have known 100% that his sheep would be attacked.

    I'm not necessarily saying that what he did was wrong, im just pointing out the hypocrisy of those who vehemently defend him even though it was lawful.
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    (Original post by zippyRN)
    uncontrolled dogs near livestock can and will be shot.

    The law supports this action to protect the stock and the farmer's business from the arrogance and idiocy of stupid townies who treat farmland as a park .
    I didn't say otherwise. Try to read what I said before jumping to conclusions.
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    (Original post by econwarwicker)
    The farmer didn't lose any money and he couldn't have known 100% that his sheep would be attacked.

    I'm not necessarily saying that what he did was wrong, im just pointing out the hypocrisy of those who vehemently defend him even though it was lawful.
    They don't need to be attacked to cause harm, the stress alone of being chased can cause them to abort.
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    (Original post by Willy Pete)
    They don't need to be attacked to cause harm, the stress alone of being chased can cause them to abort.
    what?
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    (Original post by econwarwicker)
    what?
    What do you fail to understand about that?
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    (Original post by Willy Pete)
    What do you fail to understand about that?
    What do you mean "abort"?
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    (Original post by econwarwicker)
    What do you mean "abort"?
    The sheep are carrying lambs, it is lambing season in a few months. The stress will cause the ewes to abort their lambs.

    You are the perfect example of townies not understanding agriculture.
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    (Original post by econwarwicker)
    What do you mean "abort"?
    Pregnant sheep can miscarry through stress or even kill their live young. That's why dogs, especially off lead shouldn't be on farmers' land.
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    (Original post by Willy Pete)
    The sheep are carrying lambs, it is lambing season in a few months. The stress will cause the ewes to abort their lambs.

    You are the perfect example of townies not understanding agriculture.
    That's pretty much an assumption you're making really. It's really the lesser of two evils here, the huskies are still animals not pets. You put a greater value on the sheep because of the benefit they provide you.

    Perhaps I dont understand agriculture, it's a dying industry in this country anyway.
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    (Original post by NatashaRoebuck)
    Pregnant sheep can miscarry through stress or even kill their live young. That's why dogs, especially off lead shouldn't be on farmers' land.
    Thank you and thanks Willy Pete for explaining, I never knew that.

    Okay perhaps im not fully informed of this. But regardless Im still not sure whether a running dog will cause such stress, these sheep have been surrounded by tractors and other animals too.
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    (Original post by econwarwicker)
    That's pretty much an assumption you're making really. It's really the lesser of two evils here, the huskies are still animals not pets. You put a greater value on the sheep because of the benefit they provide you.

    Perhaps I dont understand agriculture, it's a dying industry in this country anyway.
    I think the point is, regardless of value and pet or animal. The huskies were on the farmers' land, worrying his valuable stock. It's up to the farmer what he wants to do about the dogs 'trespassing' on his land and potentially losing him money. It's very sad that the dogs had to be shot at and one sadly died, but maybe it'll make for a more responsible owner in the future.
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    (Original post by econwarwicker)
    That's pretty much an assumption you're making really. It's really the lesser of two evils here, the huskies are still animals not pets. You put a greater value on the sheep because of the benefit they provide you.

    Perhaps I dont understand agriculture, it's a dying industry in this country anyway.
    I put greater value in the ewes because they are someone's livelihood.

    Dying industry... You really suck at economy.
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    (Original post by econwarwicker)
    Thank you and thanks Willy Pete for explaining, I never knew that.

    Okay perhaps im not fully informed of this. But regardless Im still not sure whether a running dog will cause such stress, these sheep have been surrounded by tractors and other animals too.
    Well you have absolutely zero knowledge of the subject in question, there are plenty of people here myself included who do.

    In short you are wrong.
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    It's sad that the dogs had to have this happen to them. The owner should have taken better precautions as that could have prevented this happening. Idiotic and stupid, if you ask me. Poor doggos
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    (Original post by econwarwicker)
    Thank you and thanks Willy Pete for explaining, I never knew that.

    Okay perhaps im not fully informed of this. But regardless Im still not sure whether a running dog will cause such stress, these sheep have been surrounded by tractors and other animals too.
    Precisely, they've been around tractors and other animals the whole time. A random dog (two infact) coming running around would clearly be perceived as a threat to the sheep and they would all panic regardless of whether the dogs were attacking them.
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    (Original post by NatashaRoebuck)
    I think the point is, regardless of value and pet or animal. The huskies were on the farmers' land, worrying his valuable stock. It's up to the farmer what he wants to do about the dogs 'trespassing' on his land and potentially losing him money. It's very sad that the dogs had to be shot at and one sadly died, but maybe it'll make for a more responsible owner in the future.
    Yes, Im not denying that it was within the farmers right to shoot. But he still should have fired a warning shot at least.

    (Original post by Willy Pete)
    I put greater value in the ewes because they are someone's livelihood.

    Dying industry... You really suck at economy.
    Well the primary sector isn't exactly booming now is it.
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    He was definetaly within his rights to shoot them.
    If the owner felt dreadful about his dogs being shot, the he has only himself to blame.
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    (Original post by econwarwicker)
    The farmer didn't lose any money and he couldn't have known 100% that his sheep would be attacked.

    I'm not necessarily saying that what he did was wrong, im just pointing out the hypocrisy of those who vehemently defend him even though it was lawful.
    Well judging from the story the only person who saw what the dogs were doing to the sheep was the farmer who shot them... the purpose of the law relating to shooting dogs is to allow the farmer to prevent loss of livestock - not to get revenge on the dog after it's done the damage (which as a previous poster mentioned might not be immediately obvious during the attack anyway)
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    (Original post by econwarwicker)
    What do you mean "abort"?
    a spontaneous termination of pregnanacy
 
 
 
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