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P66 – Capital Punishment Referendum Petition 2017 Watch

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    I've never seen one of these in my time in the House. It will have normal petition rules, with the exception that the petition will be binding, subject to CT approval. The referendum itself, as no bill has been submitted to implement such a change, will not be binding.

    P66 – Capital Punishment Referendum Petition 2017, Connor27 (seconded by Quamquam123 MP)
    We the undersigned call for a referendum on this with the question: "Should the United Kingdom reintroduce capital punishment as a penalty for the most serious crimes?"


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    This petition legislates for a referendum on the reintroduction of capital punishment in the UK.

    We in the libertarian party have noticed the multiple opinion polls showing a clear majority among the general public for reinstatement; but despite this because of politicians being personally against the issue is ignored.

    Debate is healthy, and even though members of the libertarian party may be opposed to capital punishment, we believe that the debate must be held due to popular demand, and the people deserve a say.
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    Surely this should be a motion? Saracen's Fez
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Surely this should be a motion? Saracen's Fez
    No, the referendum petition is an obscure device mentioned in the GD to call a referendum.
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    No, the referendum petition is an obscure device mentioned in the GD to call a referendum.
    Interesting. Fair enough.

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    On the Petition itself, Nay - The state should not have the power to kill it's own citizens. I'm shocked this is coming from the Libertarians of all people
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    To be clear:

    I find the (forced) death penalty abhorrent and the complete antithesis of the principles under which the Libertarians are being formed. I know that Connor is also not in favour. However, I was persuaded that this would foster debate and thus be good for the House. I want the Libertarians to be the kind of party that is willing to ask the important questions. As such, I support this petition but, in the event of a referendum, would campaign vigorously for people to vote no.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Interesting. Fair enough.

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    On the Petition itself, Nay - The state should not have the power to kill it's own citizens. I'm shocked this is coming from the Libertarians of all people
    See above.
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    Just to make it clear, I seconded this referendum petition to stimulate debate, not because I support the concept. I will share my views on the content of this shortly.
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    (Original post by ByronicHero)
    See above.
    The above has been seen. Surely though, this is incredibly dangerous, and is also a complete waste of parliaments time?
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    Capital punishment. A disgusting barbaric practice that belongs in the cesspool of history.

    There are no merits to its reintroduction.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    The above has been seen. Surely though, this is incredibly dangerous, and is also a complete waste of parliaments time?
    Game playing aside, it is an interesting debate for people to have here. That is my primary concern.

    That aside, parliament does a fabulous job of wasting almost all of its time already so I don't feel bad about adding to the list even if I do accept the premise :lol:
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    (Original post by Conceited)
    Capital punishment. A disgusting barbaric practice that belongs in the cesspool of history.

    There are no merits to its reintroduction.
    Hear, Hear

    (Original post by ByronicHero)
    Game playing aside, it is an interesting debate for people to have here. That is my primary concern.

    That aside, parliament does a fabulous job of wasting almost all of its time already so I don't feel bad about adding to the list even if I do accept the premise :lol:
    Fair enough I suppose I just hate having this particular debate with people
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Hear, Hear



    Fair enough I suppose I just hate having this particular debate with people
    Then don't have it. Maybe very soon you'll be unable to
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    (Original post by ByronicHero)
    Then don't have it. Maybe very soon you'll be unable to
    True
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    I am personally for capital punishment.

    Also, I don't see why this wouldn't be allowed in the House... that'd be like saying we're not allowed to decriminalise incest because it's currently illegal irl...
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    I am personally for capital punishment.

    Also, I don't see why this wouldn't be allowed in the House... that'd be like saying we're not allowed to decriminalise incest because it's currently illegal irl...
    Nobody said it wouldn't be allowed?
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    (Original post by ByronicHero)
    Nobody said it wouldn't be allowed?
    Was how I interpreted about subject to CT approval... unless that was in regard to running a TSR referendum?
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    Neigh.
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    Was how I interpreted about subject to CT approval... unless that was in regard to running a TSR referendum?
    It is in regard to the actual referendum I believe.
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    (Original post by ByronicHero)
    It is in regard to the actual referendum I believe.
    Yeh, after re-reading it about 50 times I would agree!
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    Just a note in relation to the unusual format: Byronic advised me that petitions were the best way to legislate for a referendum as apparently bills aren't binding on the speaker, I had initially written this as a bill, and rewrote it as a petition in light of this information.
 
 
 
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