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B1096 – Drink Driving Penalties Bill 2017 (Second Reading) Watch

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    B1096 – Drink Driving Penalties Bill 2017 (Second Reading), TSR Conservative Party
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    increase the penalty for being caught in charge of a vehicle whilst over the legal limit, or driving or attempting to drive a vehicle whilst over the legal limit.

    BE IT ENACTED by The Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Commons in this present Parliament assembled, in accordance with the provisions of the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949, and by the authority of the same, as follows:—

    1 Punishment for being in charge of a vehicle whilst over the legal limit, or unfit through drink
    (1) In addition to the current penalties, the person will be subject to:
    a. Minimum 25 hours community service, and a maximum of 75 hours community service.

    2 Punishment for driving or attempting to drive a vehicle whilst over the legal limit, or unfit through drink
    (1) In addition to the current penalties, the person will be subject to:
    a. Minimum 100 hours community service, and a maximum of 200 hours community service.
    b. A minimum £2,500 fine.
    (2) If the person has over 105 microgrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of breath (3x the legal limit):
    a. A minimum 3 month prison sentence.

    3 Commencement, short title and extent
    (1) This Act shall come into force on 1st March 2017.
    (2) This Act shall be named the Drink Driving Penalty Act 2017.
    (3) This Act extends to all of the United Kingdom.

    Please note: this Bill does not change anything in terms of whether or not you would be prosecuted for, and why someone may be prosecuted for being in charge of, attempting to, or driving a vehicle whilst unfit, it just changes the punishments.

    Changes for second reading:
    - Added maximum community service sentences
    - Decreased minimum fine to £2,500
    - Removed definitions - they are the same as currently in law

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    Whilst the number of drink drivers that cause fatal crashes is decreasing, it's still a number of unnecessary deaths that can be avoided, by deterring drivers from doing it, one way, through larger incentives not to.

    This Bill keeps the current penalties which are in place, but adds additional minimum penalties in the form of community service and financial penalty as a further incentive, as at the moment, if someone is caught drink driving and hasn't caused a crash, there is only the ban, and a relatively small financial penalty, which clearly isn't working as well as it could.

    These are the current punishments:
    Being in charge of vehicle while above the legal limit or unfit through drink You may get:
    - 3 months' imprisonment
    - up to £2,500 fine
    - a possible driving ban

    and

    Driving or attempting to drive while above the legal limit or unfit through drink You may get:
    - 6 months' imprisonment
    - an unlimited fine
    - a driving ban for at least 1 year (3 years if convicted twice within 10 years)


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    I appreciate you adding the maximum limits as requested.
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    It's still an aye as it was before.
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    My objections appear to have largely been satisfied, so it's a provisional aye.
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    Still nay, I'm allergic to mandatory minimums.
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    How does a 17-year old schoolboy, for instance, pay a £5,000 fine?
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    How does a 17-year old schoolboy, for instance, pay a £5,000 fine?
    We value his limbs and cut them off accordingly.
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    People don't get punished for being drunk in a stationary car like the last reading so I now support this.
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    Aye

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    And you still haven't bothered to specify what forms of transport count.
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    Opposed to minimum sentences in all forms. Edit: ESPECIALLY for strict liability offences.
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    From just right to too soft. Abstaining to this.
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    (Original post by Wilhuff Tarkin)
    From just right to too soft. Nay to this.
    So adding penalties makes it softer?

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So adding penalties makes it softer?

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    Changed my vote to abstain.

    However, community service does very little. It's hardly a deterrent. And the fines needn't be lowered either.
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    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    People don't get punished for being drunk in a stationary car like the last reading so I now support this.
    They still can if they're in the driver's seat - the last reading didn't mean that people in the passenger seat did get punished as they weren't in control.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Opposed to minimum sentences in all forms. Edit: ESPECIALLY for strict liability offences.
    It doesn't change whether or not someone is prosecuted, and so if someone is deemed to not be doing these offences and so it's not like the penalties are going to be used in all cases of this anyway.
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    It doesn't change whether or not someone is prosecuted, and so if someone is deemed to not be doing these offences and so it's not like the penalties are going to be used in all cases of this anyway.
    Clearly, a mandatory minimum fine of £5,000 would be used in all case, whether or not the driver has £5,000.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Clearly, a mandatory minimum fine of £5,000 would be used in all case, whether or not the driver has £5,000.
    Not if the person isn't charged or prosecuted for driving or attempting to drive whilst unfit - but yes if they are, then they will have to pay £2,500 (been reduced, see Bill). Also, there is no minimum fine for being in charge of.
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    They still can if they're in the driver's seat - the last reading didn't mean that people in the passenger seat did get punished as they weren't in control.
    So if a drunk person happens to be asleep in their car which is in a car park, they could get fined?
 
 
 
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