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    (Original post by Michiyo)
    It is alright, more taster days will come. :hugs:

    Hahahaha nope. Just get a job, finish your A-levels, and get a better job, then you will be able to rent a flat with other people and what your parents say will not matter anymore.

    Exeter has an EXTREMELY wide variety of subjects. For example, my degree name would probably be International Relations and Strategy and International Security with Japanese. Strategy and International Security are one subject, IR is another, and Japanese would be my minor.

    If you are not completely sure if you want to do Maths or Physics (or if you are stuck between two subjects), check out their Flexible Combined Honours degree (the one I applied for) They have all the regular subjects and a few more unusual ones like Sustainability, TESOL, Mediterranean Studies, etc. You can even pick up three subjects, and if you dislike one of your subjects, you can drop it at the end of a year and pick up another! There are also options for study abroad or UK work experience integrated in that degree.
    Like the one I'm going in March, which I remembered to apply to. :woo:

    Yeah, how to get a job.. :moon:

    Yeah, I might consider doing something like a flexible combined honours degree. And studying abroad seems really awesome!

    (Original post by wolfmoon88)
    Just going to jump into this conversation because I can relate. At one point I had 30+ universities on my list from all over the world. Spanning all continents other than Africa pretty much :rofl::rofl:

    Michiyo has made really good points: choose the universities that you want to go to because often times parents are quite ignorant about this process because they focus on the prestige of the university rather than what is suitable for the student. You have to take initiative in this process! Michiyo has offered a good summary about Exeter's Flexible Combined Honours Degree and its merits, especially when you don't know what you want to do and you don't want to a complete liberal arts degree (American style system). Personally, I think that FCH offers a great system which combines the specialisation of the UK system while allowing you more flexibility in choosing more subjects that you want to take.

    My advice for you is that if you don't really want to go to Oxford or Cambridge, you have to ask yourself if it is worth going through that arduous process... I applied this year and all the waiting, the interviews and more waiting was absolutely tiresome, and after all that effort you can still get rejected. Research the course (modules) and the tutorial system and decide whether that Oxbridge is worth going through all that trouble. (for me it was, but for many people I know it wasn't) Taster days will also be very helpful as well. If you have any questions about the process just ask, although I wasn't successful, I can try and help!

    As for London unis, idk if you live in London (I think you do) but if you do accommodation and stuff do not apply as much so I guess I can skip talking about that :rofl:

    Now as for St Andrews, Time for me to give a Michiyo-style promotion of St Andrews because it is probably going to be my firm What I really like about St Andrews is that the Scottish system also allows for flexibility. In your first year (for you it is BSc because Maths and Physics) you choose 3 subjects to study in each semester, so for example, you can choose to do, Maths, Physics and maybe Comp Sci or a European Language. In the second year, you drop one of the subjects so the main subject which you got in for and a secondary subject which ever one you choose to continue. In the third and fourth years you can either choose to drop your second subject and just continue with your main subject for a single honours degree or continue both subjects for a joint honours degree. So this allows breadth of study especially when you don't know which field you would want to get into.

    I guess one of the criticisms people have about Scotland in general is that the degrees are four years instead of three years but like Michiyo pointed out about Exeter(you can add a year for study abroad/work placement), in the third year of your time in St Andrews, you can study abroad at many great institutions worldwide. You can also have European work placements for science students but I do not know how that works unfortunately :/

    Honestly, don't care about what your parents want you are an amazing chicken you can make your own decisions. I basically told my (asian) parents 2-3 weeks before the Oxbridge deadline that I didn't want to do medicine and I wanted to pursue something else. You can definitely choose the university/ course that is right for you :yep: If you have any questions about universities and such, just ask, I'll be happy to help
    Yeah.. I was considering American unis as well. :rofl:

    Yep, I've decided I'm gonna research more into those flexible combined honours degrees.

    The application process itself seems so daunting.. :afraid: And I'll make sure to ask you about anything I'm unsure about, thank you!

    :lol: I do indeed live in London, hence my parents preferring for me to go to a London uni..

    Yeah, someone from the uni came over to our school give us a talk about it, and everything about it seems really awesome, and I really do think I prefer the Scottish system to ours. I really am not a decisive person. :getmecoat: And congrats on receiving an offer and hope you manage to get in!

    I don't think I mind an extra year anyway, so that's fine.

    I'll try not to, and thank you! So what are you hoping to study?

    (Original post by Michiyo)
    ^THIS. TheOtherSide., this fellow knows what he is talking about. :yep:

    Agreed. :love: FCH is love, FCH is life! :daydreaming: (Funnily enough, Exeter's Liberal Arts degree has a much narrower range of subjects than FCH.)

    'you are an amazing chicken you can make your own decisions.' - THE TRUTH HAS BEEN SPOKEN!

    Nice St Andrew's promotion there

    God, I wish parents would stop pushing their children to go to whatever university and do whatever degree they think is best. So many people ended up regretting their university and course choices since they were forced upon them by their parents.

    Yes, my mum would have loved it if my sisters and I all followed through with her plan to us. This is basically what she wanted us to study in university and the jobs she wanted us to have.

    Oldest sister - degree in Theatre/Drama and became an actress
    Second oldest sister - degree in Journalism and became a journalist or writer
    Older sister - got into Medicine and became a doctor or nurse
    Me - did Law and became either a lawyer or a writer

    Just because this is what she wanted for us, it does not mean it would have fit us. This is what we ended up studying or will study.

    Oldest sister - degree in Accounting, now an event organiser
    Second oldest sister - did a year of Journalism, hated it, completed a degree in Modern Languages, now high up the HR chain of a company so famous that if I told you the name, you would recognise it instantly
    Older sister - considering a degree in Photography/Film/Media or going to the Police Academy
    Me - degree in International Relations (and Strategy and International Security with Japanese if I get into Exeter, and European Studies otherwise)

    See the pattern here? None of us followed the plan our mother set for us until the end; we did our own thing and we are happy. The choices she made for us simply did not fit us at all. My oldest sister, albeit a good actress, always had a gift for maths and science. My second oldest sister actually did what my mother wanted of her, but found she disliked it so much she could not have seen it through, so she did something she found more enjoyable instead and it went well. My older sister is extremely artistic and athletic, but she cannot do maths and science to save her life, so there was no way she would even have considered medicine. As for me, I find law to be boring and corrupt and I am far too lazy to memorise all the laws I would need to know as a lawyer (although my memory is good enough), not to mention my conscience would not be able to take it if I defended someone (a person, company, etc) who was guilty. I also do not take conflict well while being a lawyer is literally arguing to convince the judge you are right even if you are not, which I would hate.

    Moral of the story: your parents do not know what university and course is right for you. Only YOU do. Chances are they are just projecting their failed ambitions on you or that they are so entitled/controlling they think you should do as they say simply because they made you.

    If you are interested in astronomy, go for it, our beloved chicken! Do what you want, not what your parents want.
    You two really know how to write essays, don't you? :rofl: (Unfortunately I can't, so apologies about the short replies :hide: )

    Yeah, yeah, you've convinced me to consider taking a FCH degree. :lol:

    Also, your sisters' and your stories are actually really inspiring! I can only hope to be as successful in the area I go into. :moon:

    That is very true. :yep::hide: Maybe if I put forward a good enough case, they won't mind as much if I consider the not so typical unis? :dontknow:

    (Original post by wolfmoon88)
    Because Exeter's Liberal Arts Degree only includes Arts, there isn't a Liberal Arts and Sciences Degree Plus they already have FCH, it would be kind of counter-productive/unnecessary for them to have a Liberal Arts and Sciences degree with FCH :rofl:

    Since you promote Exeter to like everyone online, I was thinking that I need to stop my shameless promotion game as well starting with St A's

    Good story :yep: very true too :five: I agree with what you said about law :rofl:

    To be fair, you might need physics to do an astronomy related degree because they seem to go hand in hand with each other maybe Astrophysics? TheOtherSide.
    Yeah, I'm already considering Astrophysics / Astronomy / possibly just Mathematics.
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    Haha, yeah i can tell by your avatar I only like her songs. I'm not like a major fan, as such.
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    Same and Love story.... Also, I Knew You Were Trouble... I love all of Red.
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    Any questions about the American application process you can ask me as well a lot of my friends applied to US unis and I considered applying to US unis as well.

    Yep research more into it For Oxbridge, I would suggest looking at NatSci and Maths at Cambridge (for someone indecisive, NatSci might be better tbh), Maths, Physics, Physics and Philosophy (better for Astronomy I would assume), Maths and Statistics. Ofc research FCH and other unis as well (UCL, Imperial, (Not King's), Durham, York, Edinburgh, St Andrews etc...)

    No problem, anything just ask previous applicants should help future applicants anyways :yep:

    Imperial and UCL are both good choices :yep: and of course the other London unis aren't bad.

    I think St Andrews would really fit you (if you aren't decisive, Cambridge might be better than Oxford for that) Thank you I'll work hard to make my offer. I applied to study BSc Sustainable Development, because like you I am not really sure about what I want to study other than that I like studying a breadth of subjects, both in the arts and in the sciences.

    Honestly... is St Andrews really a not typical university? it's ranked 3rd in the UK in a lot of rankings (not that I really care, the course just fits me) Most of my friends who's parents are obsessed with rankings (East Asian) all allowed their children to apply to St Andrews and would be happy for them to go there. (They like Imperial and Oxford more ofc but they are definitely ok with St Andrews) What's your definition of not so typical unis?

    All really great subjects and fields you won't go wrong choosing any of them!
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    Btw TheOtherSide. and wolfmoon88, since I see you're both thinking about applying or even firming St Andrew's, if you want to know about the town (don't know much about the uni) feel free to ask because I've been a bunch of times
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    Btw TheOtherSide. and wolfmoon88, since I see you're both thinking about applying or even firming St Andrew's, if you want to know about the town (don't know much about the uni) feel free to ask because I've been a bunch of times
    Omg can you? I probably won't have a chance to visit before I make my decision about firms and insurances :/

    Thank you Andrew :hugs:
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    (Original post by wolfmoon88)
    Omg can you? I probably won't have a chance to visit before I make my decision about firms and insurances :/

    Thank you Andrew :hugs:
    Of course Basically St Andrew's is famous for golf, it's basically credited for being where it was invented and there's a really famous golf course there where the Open Championship plays there every so often. So it plays a pretty big part of the town, the course is pretty central inside the town, there's tons of golf shops and such related things around like mini golf etc. If the tournament is on there while you are there the town will be mad basically.

    But other than that, it's a fairly small place (nothing like London obviously, or even Glasgow and Edinburgh or Dundee/Aberdeen etc). It's on the coast so there's a beach which is decent. It's got 2-4 main streets with alleys etc of shops and restaurants, but again it's not a city so don't expect tons. Main touristy stuff is golf course and museum, but there's also an aquarium, a castle and the beach. It's known for being quite a nice, well off and a little expensive place compared to most. For student life I'm not sure what's there, I've heard people going over to Dundee for night out a lot.

    Can't think what else, anything specific you wanna ask feel free TheOtherSide.
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    Of course Basically St Andrew's is famous for golf, it's basically credited for being where it was invented and there's a really famous golf course there where the Open Championship plays there every so often. So it plays a pretty big part of the town, the course is pretty central inside the town, there's tons of golf shops and such related things around like mini golf etc. If the tournament is on there while you are there the town will be mad basically.

    But other than that, it's a fairly small place (nothing like London obviously, or even Glasgow and Edinburgh or Dundee/Aberdeen etc). It's on the coast so there's a beach which is decent. It's got 2-4 main streets with alleys etc of shops and restaurants, but again it's not a city so don't expect tons. Main touristy stuff is golf course and museum, but there's also an aquarium, a castle and the beach. It's known for being quite a nice, well off and a little expensive place compared to most. For student life I'm not sure what's there, I've heard people going over to Dundee for night out a lot.

    Can't think what else, anything specific you wanna ask feel free TheOtherSide.
    The British Open? I heard about golf being a pretty central part of the town. I don't really enjoy watching golf though :rofl:

    I live in a city, and I want to get away from the city tbh so I think that would be a nice place to study from your description. Is it really cold there? I heard about the beach but the coast is the North Sea :rofl: so that must be hella cold.

    Thank you
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    Like the one I'm going in March, which I remembered to apply to. :woo:

    Yeah, how to get a job.. :moon:

    Yeah, I might consider doing something like a flexible combined honours degree. And studying abroad seems really awesome!

    You two really know how to write essays, don't you? :rofl: (Unfortunately I can't, so apologies about the short replies :hide: )

    Yeah, yeah, you've convinced me to consider taking a FCH degree. :lol:

    Also, your sisters' and your stories are actually really inspiring! I can only hope to be as successful in the area I go into. :moon:

    That is very true. :yep::hide: Maybe if I put forward a good enough case, they won't mind as much if I consider the not so typical unis? :dontknow:

    Yeah, I'm already considering Astrophysics / Astronomy / possibly just Mathematics.
    Congratulations! :five: Have fun there

    You apply to jobs and wait for an interview, as far as I know, but I do not have a job :awesome:

    FCH is the best and we know it :sexface:

    I did all essay-based subjects at AS-level, so I would not have been able to pass without the skill to write essays. :yep:

    Aww, I am flattered that you find them to be so :fan: The point was that the path our parents want for us is often not the one that best suits us, which has been the case with every single person in a similar scenario that I have ever met :awesome:

    If you make a good enough case, they will not be able to protest. If they do, well, just say that you can choose what university to attend since it is your future, not theirs. If all else fails (e.g. if telling them the truth outright would get you into extreme trouble, like being in danger of getting kicked out) and your parents overreact severely, you can lie about the universities you applied to and about your offers, then tell them the truth after you move for university. Of course the second option is to be avoided at all cost, but if there are no other options, it is better than dooming yourself to a university or course you do not like.

    What would the typical universities be?
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    (Original post by wolfmoon88)
    The British Open? I heard about golf being a pretty central part of the town. I don't really enjoy watching golf though :rofl:

    I live in a city, and I want to get away from the city tbh so I think that would be a nice place to study from your description. Is it really cold there? I heard about the beach but the coast is the North Sea :rofl: so that must be hella cold.

    Thank you
    Yeah that and the Scottish Open could be there I don't like golf much either but to be honest the course and the clubhouse/hotel are really beautiful and kinda makes the town. You walk round it to get to the beach etc. And like whenever I've gone I've been to visit in a touristy kinda way, if you're living there and focusing on uni and it all becomes normal to you then you probably won't even think about golf at all tbh :lol:

    Erm, see this is the problem with international students asking about the weather :rofl: I actually like Scottish/British summers, the weather can be pretty nice and hot without getting uncomfortable, but uni students only live here during the winter basically and leave as soon as summer comes so only see experience the bad parts :lol: But yeah being a coastal town and the times of the year you'll be studying there the weather might not be the best haha. Probably cold, windy and wet a lot of the time. But honestly it's not that bad, I would walk around in a normal tshirt and a jacket and be fine just like I'd wear anywhere else tbh. It's not going to be *freezing* it won't be much different to the rest of Britain Like I wouldn't pick somewhere else to go in Britain because of the weather because it's not going to make any difference in reality
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    Go for it hahaha
    N leave it longer :rolleyes:

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    (Original post by AndrewSCO)
    Yeah that and the Scottish Open could be there I don't like golf much either but to be honest the course and the clubhouse/hotel are really beautiful and kinda makes the town. You walk round it to get to the beach etc. And like whenever I've gone I've been to visit in a touristy kinda way, if you're living there and focusing on uni and it all becomes normal to you then you probably won't even think about golf at all tbh :lol:

    Erm, see this is the problem with international students asking about the weather :rofl: I actually like Scottish/British summers, the weather can be pretty nice and hot without getting uncomfortable, but uni students only live here during the winter basically and leave as soon as summer comes so only see experience the bad parts :lol: But yeah being a coastal town and the times of the year you'll be studying there the weather might not be the best haha. Probably cold, windy and wet a lot of the time. But honestly it's not that bad, I would walk around in a normal tshirt and a jacket and be fine just like I'd wear anywhere else tbh. It's not going to be *freezing* it won't be much different to the rest of Britain Like I wouldn't pick somewhere else to go in Britain because of the weather because it's not going to make any difference in reality
    That's cool I like pretty places!

    Hahaha I am used to places which are wet and windy so not a huge problem there, as long as it is not humid everything is cool. That's true, the weather in the UK just seems the same regardless where you go... just curious, I honestly don't really care about the weather that much more about the surroundings and the uni.

    Where are you studying?

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