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    George Orwell invented terminology to show that many things are the reverse of what they actually are. "War is peace" , "ignorance is strength", "freedom is slaver", doublespeak, thoughtcrime etc.

    Liberalism is supposed to be a worldview founded in the ideas from the Age of Enlightenment including the ideas of equality and liberty.

    Modern liberalism has become a contradiction of its own principles. Liberals tell people not to discriminate but then put people into groups and discriminate in favour of their preferred groups. It is hard to argue that this form of liberal discrimination doesn't take place because there are terms for it like affirmative action. (And cultural Marxism although this is not a favoured term amongst liberals).

    The ideologist of equality professes that black group identification is good and white group identification is bad. Gay marriage is good for Christianity but bad for Islam. It's terrible to criticise groups, unless they are white, male, Christian, bankers in which case it is good to criticise them.

    In American universities there is a saying "bash dead white men". There is even a Harvard professor called Noel Ignatiev who claims to want to abolish white people. Christians are always punished with legal actions for thing that contradict their religion like baking gay cakes. Men are usually punished with something sex related (it's an easy way to punish men) either through some ridiculous definitions of rape like drunken sex or failure to pull out during sex as agreed being classed as rape. You need to take cases of extreme suffering and increase the scope of victimhood in order to punish the people who need punishing; men. More commonly draconian child support measures are used to punish men e.g. Making men who were tricked into having children or unwilling to participate right from the early days of conception when abortion was available, pay child support.

    But of course women sometimes make mistakes, but that's life - women need to be pro-choice and men need to be governed by women's decisions and sometimes literally a slave paying child support where he didn't want to particulate from the start and there was no relationship. But Heaven help if a man is dictating to a woman - that she is governed by his decision.

    It would be terrible to teach women how to cook (hence most young women can't cook) but excellent to teach men how to cook.

    Shops and icons which model themselves around nation are shunned; nationalism is great for African countries e.g. African national congress is wonderful but European nationalist groups are terrible.

    Liberalism is an instrument of an agenda and it uses the premises of classical liberalism in order to try and bring about a utopian vision of the world shared by a certain group of people.



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    I agree that modern liberalism doesn't necessarily reflect the ideas that liberalism originally set out. There is far too much of a culture of 'positive discrimination', as well as excessive political correctness and general West-bashing. There isn't really a party that reflects true liberal values in British politics, which I find sad.

    Those who agree with real liberal values need to reclaim the word. That means demonstrating that equality means true equality between groups - I would even advocate that (for example) on job applications, things such as name, gender, race, religion etc. be removed entirely from the initial screening process, ensuring that those who proceed do so purely on merit. People need to stop looking at the proportions of people that make up universities, politics, the media, other jobs etc, because it really shouldn't matter if everyone is equal. If a board of directors was 100% male, then great if they're the best people for the job. Likewise, if it's 100% female, or 50-50, or 70-30, whatever, that's also brilliant if all of them are the most deserving people to be there.

    Liberalism also means defending freedom of speech, so certain groups shouldn't be sheltered from criticism in case they get 'offended'. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you should be allowed to get away with verbal abuse, but when people identify legitimate criticisms of things like religion (most commonly Islam, although it is also applicable to some sects of Christianity - although many modern 'liberals' are perfectly happy to bash one but not the other), they shouldn't be written off as 'racist' (which is a complete misnomer in the first place), and the criticisms should be examined and discussed intellectually. It is only be allowing all ideas out into the open that we can identify the best ones, the worst ones, and how we should proceed. Stifling debate is inevitably going to lead to poor policy-making and fuel further tensions in society.
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    I agree that modern liberalism doesn't necessarily reflect the ideas that liberalism originally set out. There is far too much of a culture of 'positive discrimination', as well as excessive political correctness and general West-bashing. There isn't really a party that reflects true liberal values in British politics, which I find sad.

    Those who agree with real liberal values need to reclaim the word. That means demonstrating that equality means true equality between groups - I would even advocate that (for example) on job applications, things such as name, gender, race, religion etc. be removed entirely from the initial screening process, ensuring that those who proceed do so purely on merit. People need to stop looking at the proportions of people that make up universities, politics, the media, other jobs etc, because it really shouldn't matter if everyone is equal. If a board of directors was 100% male, then great if they're the best people for the job. Likewise, if it's 100% female, or 50-50, or 70-30, whatever, that's also brilliant if all of them are the most deserving people to be there.

    Liberalism also means defending freedom of speech, so certain groups shouldn't be sheltered from criticism in case they get 'offended'. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you should be allowed to get away with verbal abuse, but when people identify legitimate criticisms of things like religion (most commonly Islam, although it is also applicable to some sects of Christianity - although many modern 'liberals' are perfectly happy to bash one but not the other), they shouldn't be written off as 'racist' (which is a complete misnomer in the first place), and the criticisms should be examined and discussed intellectually. It is only be allowing all ideas out into the open that we can identify the best ones, the worst ones, and how we should proceed. Stifling debate is inevitably going to lead to poor policy-making and fuel further tensions in society.
    Which is why some people call modern liberalism's term progressive, regressive.

    This is because regressive liberalism claims that there was a previous position of discrimination and it wants to transcend to equality and then discriminate the other way round.


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