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    (Original post by rissanicole14)
    I'm almost positive you haven't read more than a few verses of the Koran, a single ounce of the Compact of Medina, or read up on any Islamic history - as most of American's haven't. Many of these texts were written in context of tribal warfare, and were not advocating violence outside of war context.

    Besides, are you seriously claiming that no Muslim has a sense of humor or understand cartoons? :lol:
    The "aha but tribes" explanation isn't going to float when you're trying to convince me that your book is the literally transcribed word of God and that it's the final revelation with no room for reinterpretation.

    Don't crucify me, I'm on the retrograde mobile app.
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    The border guards I watched being interviewed said they actually prefer a fence because you can see what's happening on the other side and the money would be better spent on more bodies.
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    (Original post by PhysNobel)
    I am dual US/UK citizen and I love Trump.
    Politicians the world over fail to achieve their policies for many reasons but at least they try to do what they were elected to do.

    Trump is inexperienced and rude and many would said that he is an idiot. But that wasn't being hidden from the American people. The people who voted for him knew what he was like. He didn't create any sort of misleading impression.

    The problem is this. What is the benefit of democracy if politicians do not feel obligated to try an implement the platform on which they were elected.

    People voted for Trump because he was going to prosecute Clinton. People voted for Trump because he said he was going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. People voted for Trump because he was going to exclude a (in practice shifting definition ) body of Muslims. He is not going to try and implement these policies. They were just lies to the American people.

    Unless he crashes and burns, other politicians will see that and in 2020 and 2024 and in local races across the country they will promise what they have no intention of trying to deliver.
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    (Original post by jape)
    The "aha but tribes" explanation isn't going to float when you're trying to convince me that your book is the literally transcribed word of God and that it's the final revelation with no room for reinterpretation.

    Don't crucify me, I'm on the retrograde mobile app.
    I'm Christian actually, I just take the time to learn about something before I comment or have an opinion on it.

    What I was trying to say is that there IS room for reinterpretation in religious texts. Same thing with verses in the Bible such as Matthew 5:30, or other verses that aren't meant to be taken literally.
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    (Original post by rissanicole14)
    I'm Christian actually, I just take the time to learn about something before I comment or have an opinion on it.

    What I was trying to say is that there IS room for reinterpretation in religious texts. Same thing with verses in the Bible such as Matthew 5:30, or other verses that aren't meant to be taken literally.
    There's no room for Islamic reformation. It's impossible, because the Qu'uran specifically precludes it by claiming to be the exact word of God and the final revelation. You can't reinterpret or ignore the verbatim word of God.
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    Ooooh yes!!!!!!!!!!

    Brexit + Donald Trump presidency + potential trade deal here we come.

    I think Donald Trump will do well. He has a very good mindset and I wish him well.
    I also think we should ignore the lefty/rich/banker supporting TSR members who are Trump and Brexit haters.

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    (Original post by rissanicole14)
    Anyone who thinks the wall is actually going to be a thing is fooling themselves. Anyone who thinks Muslims will actually be banned from America hasn't been watching Senate questioning of Trump executives, who have stated themselves that any legislation concerning religious regulation is clearly unconstitutional. Of course, supporting the Bill of Rights seems completely fine - protecting the 2nd amendment? - until it appears to not rule in someone's favor (1st amendment right to freedom of religion?)

    Trump seems to be backing away from his advertised policies one by one anyway.

    I do completely agree with you on his inauguration being historical - historical for breaking almost every rule in campaign history, historical for being outrageously inexperienced in foreign affairs and policy making...

    Reagan is probably rolling in his grave right now.
    (Original post by rissanicole14)
    I'm almost positive you haven't read more than a few verses of the Koran, a single ounce of the Compact of Medina, or read up on any Islamic history - as most of American's haven't. Many of these texts were written in context of tribal warfare, and were not advocating violence outside of war context.

    Besides, are you seriously claiming that no Muslim has a sense of humor or understand cartoons? :lol:

    Good points. I think he is referring to the cartoon pictures of the prophet and tbh I wouldn't find it funny.
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    (Original post by jape)
    There's no room for Islamic reformation. It's impossible, because the Qu'uran specifically precludes it by claiming to be the exact word of God and the final revelation. You can't reinterpret or ignore the verbatim word of God.
    Interesting point, and it's not worth arguing against the fact that there are some people out there that think this way.

    However, a huge part of Islam is its schools of jurisprudence (madhhabs), which by definition are different Muslim leaders' interpretation of the sunnah and the teachings of the book. For example, those who claim to complete violence in the name of Allah are usually looking towards the Wahhabi school of thought. While other Muslims look to Ijtihad, or literally, re-interpretation of Quranic texts.
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    (Original post by Emz99)
    Good points. I think he is referring to the cartoon pictures of the prophet and tbh I wouldn't find it funny.
    I know, you would think people would be more sensitive about it
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    (Original post by PhysNobel)
    Hi

    Please allow me to reply to your points one at a time :

    Trump does not think that all Muslims are terrorists - I challenge you to provide me with a one quote,verbatim from Trump - that contains the phrase
    " all Muslims are terrorists " - or to make it even simpler for you - a quote verbatim from Trump, which follows or maintains the syntax
    " all Muslims are terrorists "

    I look forward to you providing that reference.

    Next, there is no point make reply to the fact you study to be a doctor - what has that to do with Donald Trump... ? perhaps it's just as well you're doing something as conceptually elementary as medicine, a vocation that three of my four grandparents were in - the example of which set my far more intelligent father
    to avoid it like the plague and instead become a multimillionaire & lead a happy fulfilled & uncomplaining life. Good luck with your 70 hr week
    ( everyone knows medicine is no longer the smart person's career choice - unless you are poor working-class )



    Next, you say you find America foul - well I have visited Muslim countries,
    And the irony of what you say comes crashing down on your head - because what really is foul, are religions which suppress women, persecute homosexuality, despise and publicly execute its apostates .... the " unpleasant / barbaric
    Islamic practise - list is far too long : but should you need reminding just looking any Uk national newspaper - the the times the Guardian etc - nobody any longer accepts the adage that Islam is a religion of peace. Islamic reformers are routinely harried persecuted and murdered in their own countries , now that's what I call foul.

    Next , the wall be paid for in in saved benefit resources to Mexicans, Trump has already shown the maths on this. It's trivially obvious, a term your stats lecture can explain to you.

    Lastly , Obama care is catastrophe, one which most Americans will be happy to see reversed. Insurance based medicine is a far superior model.
    Nb. May I politely ask what wonderful is form of social-NHS-like medicine is practised in Muslim countries ?

    The problem, as I write elsewhere, is neither that Trump nor myself , nor most Americans or Brits hate Muslims - of course we don't, but that Muslims have failed to assimilate - with a few notable exceptions in its wealthier - already westernised class. This is now actually past debate, it is a factum that Muslim reformists, scholars are grappling with in order to solve, to avoid the ghettoisation that has ruined the multicultural ambition.

    These are the problems Trump has brought to world attention: and I must thank you for making me think about them again as I reply, for I am now even more settled on their truth.


    Again, I look forward to your your references & replies.

    PhysNobel
    Eton College soon to be at Christ Church .
    I actually laughed out loud at your claim that Trump's clearly laid out plans for the wall (that won't be happening) are, in your venerable words, 'trivially obvious'. He doesn't even communicate with his own future cabinet about his plans.

    Just as obvious as his plans are for replacing Obamacare right? Or his plans for basically anything at all. To which his answers are basically, "you'll see." While I think we should all wait a few months before condemning his presidency completely, I have difficulty believing he actually has a solid plan ready.

    Perhaps a few moments outside your sheltered, parochial bubble in the future might open your eyes a wee bit into reality.
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    (Original post by flappydina)
    Me again,

    Historic world leader? Maybe because of his hateful comments?

    How can you be happy at a man who mocks a disabled reporter? There is NO argument to that. You cannot do that and say things like that. Vile. Disgusting.

    A man who thinks of women as objects through leaked footage?

    I genuinely wait here and cannot wait to see him get started. Why? Because to anyone with half an ounce of common sense, you will see Trump just drag America into a mess and a ditch. It's going to be really funny watching how angry all you Americans get with half the things he will change. Not to mention the majority of the country actually voted aginst him ahahahhahahahaha
    That reporter should have been mocked. Why do you only see him as disabled? He's able bodied enough to write an article about someone that contained a lot of material not covered in the interview. Trump should have smacked him.
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    In the UK the government is formed by the party with the most votes. Much as Hilary Clinton would not be a good choice, more people in the US voted for her.
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    (Original post by KingHarold)
    In the UK the government is formed by the party with the most votes. Much as Hilary Clinton would not be a good choice, more people in the US voted for her.
    1951 Labour 13,948,883 votes, Conservatives 12,659,712 Did Attlee win a third term?

    1974 February Conservatives 11,872,180 Labour 11,645,616 Was Heath re-elected?
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      (Original post by PhysNobel)
      I've taken the trouble to reply courteously to you. Suggest you try thinking before you post.

      Nb. I clearly stated I had to dual UK US nationality - I am British by birth
      - & Kings Scholar at Eton College.

      Who's laughing now, fool.

      Lmaoooo it can never be this deep :lol:
      Also how is you being at Eton college relevant to any of this?


      (Original post by jape)
      Oh man, this is not how you speak to people if you're trying to be persuasive. Or at all really. I agree with bits of what you've said, but I don't see what drenching those points in classist, self-loving insufferability does to support your case.
      I agree with you for once
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      (Original post by PhysNobel)
      I am dual US/UK citizen and I love Trump.

      I am happy to debate / explain why all of the following are excellent and will
      transform Trump from not only being a great president but an historic world leader.

      To begin the list of eagerly anticipated policies :


      The Wall = great anti-crime and drugs.

      Protect / return jobs to the US = great economics

      NATO countries have to pay their share and not be financed by the US/UK

      No Muslims = totally great, just no-other politician dares say it.

      .. can't wait until tomorrow when Trump starts the ball rolling.

      Does anyone agree with me ? If not, why not ?
      He said the wall is...more like a fence...which they already have...you act like it's an open border...
      How's he gonna protect jobs? He hasn't given any indication of how he'll do it? Many of the lost jobs are in dying industries such as oil?
      China produces things cheap because they are not giving their people fair pay and so the only way to compete against china is to do the same which then means those jobs will be low paid, low skilled. Probably won't cover healthcare.
      How exactly is he going to get people to pay their fair share in NATO? What's he gonna do? The uk certainly won't let him stop assisting other countries or at least won't follow him in doing so. So basically he's gonna fail at that.
      My cousins are Muslim and very kind and open minded people. Such a small amount of Islam are terrorists, it's an absolute joke that Trump is considering banning them. Which he won't do by the way because it's too difficult and it's not gonna be his "priority".

      Worst thing is the ones who voted for him will be hit most. Just like brexit. But you know, you enjoy your day of happiness before it ya know starts for real.
      And let me clear, I want it to work, would be great if all his promises were kept but I just can't see it happening.
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      (Original post by flappydina)
      I'm a Muslim and that's very nice of you.

      The reason people like me are being banned is for one reason: Trump DOES think ALL Muslims are terrorists.

      Even though I study to be a doctor (because I want to SAVE a life NOT end it) I am considered a terrorist.

      But I must say, it worked out well. I was in America over the Summer and genuinely thought it was the urinal hole of all the countries and places I have been! New york etc overrated and rubbish. Paris, London and Dubai were all 100x better!!!!!!!!


      Anyway my actual question: How will you pay for the wall?

      If you are trying to stop terrorist attacks, why would you follow similar principles to France (a country that has been abused with terrorist attacks)? Like, I try to stay as far away from this topic in general but how stupid do you have to be to overlook that?

      How can you trust Trump? A man who is going against promises etc he made he is already rethinking many (obamacare).
      My good friend I'm sure, Pres. Trump is well aware, as is anyone over the age of 10, give or take, that the chances of you being a terrorist are extraordinarily slim. The purpose of a ban is not to identify any terrorists among any group of muslims since this is quite impossible. A ban is to keep any in the group from entering since this appears to be our only option.

      If there were a Reformed Muslim Church with people who had publicly declared a split from the dogma of the 7th century followers of your prophet I'm sure there would be no problem since most Americans tend to take serious public expressions of religion. Even the non-religious among us. But there is no such group and until you folks find a way to separate yourselves from the whack jobs among you a total ban is the only option.
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      I'm just wondering why all the trump haters or Clinton supporters are being so negative? When did you all develop psychic abilities to see into the future? How can you say he will be bad when he hasn't even done anything, you say his policies will be bad but then are self contradictory by saying the policies will never come into affect.

      You know the most annoying thing is that most people don't even realise that the president only has a limited power, the majority of power is in the hands of the congress, who are filled with republicans who dislike him and will probably frustrate and block his policies at every opportunity.
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      (Original post by tomywomy)
      you say his policies will be bad but then are self contradictory by saying the policies will never come into affect.
      A policy can be bad without actually happening.
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      (Original post by PhysNobel)
      I am dual US/UK citizen and I love Trump.

      I am happy to debate / explain why all of the following are excellent and will
      transform Trump from not only being a great president but an historic world leader.

      To begin the list of eagerly anticipated policies :


      The Wall = great anti-crime and drugs.

      Protect / return jobs to the US = great economics

      NATO countries have to pay their share and not be financed by the US/UK

      No Muslims = totally great, just no-other politician dares say it.

      .. can't wait until tomorrow when Trump starts the ball rolling.

      Does anyone agree with me ? If not, why not ?
      Trump is brilliant. I wish the Labour Party had a leader like him.
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      (Original post by Drewski)
      A policy can be bad without actually happening.
      That's depends entirely on different people's points of view
     
     
     
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