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B1106 – Sciences in Higher Education Bill 2017 Watch

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    What's "Moore finding"?
    A particularly amusing autocorrect.
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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    Well if degrees are cheaper more people will be encouraged to do it.
    Yeah, you need people to actually want to do the degree first.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    Yeah, you need people to actually want to do the degree first.
    True but if its cheaper , people may be inclined to do it over other stuff.
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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    True but if its cheaper , people may be inclined to do it over other stuff.
    This sounds like what happened in my home country. More people doing STEM degrees for the sake of doing STEM degrees, thus making STEM degree holders less passionate about their own fields, which in turn leads to a downgrade in the quality of graduates in STEM fields.

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    Not sure to be honest. It definitely a good cause and would discourage students from taking worthless degrees, yet I don't think throwing money at something would be the right way to go about it. It's just treating the symptoms of a horrible education system. How about creating actual change, like forcing Unis to actually take the burden for student loans, so that if the debt defaults, the unis have to pay for it rather than the government, forcing universities to not trick people into getting useless degrees. Leaning to Nay on this one atm.
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    (Original post by BobBobson)
    Not sure to be honest. It definitely a good cause and would discourage students from taking worthless degrees, yet I don't think throwing money at something would be the right way to go about it. It's just treating the symptoms of a horrible education system. How about creating actual change, like forcing Unis to actually take the burden for student loans, so that if the debt defaults, the unis have to pay for it rather than the government, forcing universities to not trick people into getting useless degrees. Leaning to Nay on this one atm.
    Which are the useless degrees? All the ones that aren't 'STEM'? And are the people who'd otherwise do 'useless degrees' going to be able to do STEM degrees just because they're going to get some more money from the government or would they actually need to have an interest and aptitude in the subjects they wish to study at university?
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Which are the useless degrees? All the ones that aren't 'STEM'? And are the people who'd otherwise do 'useless degrees' going to be able to do STEM degrees just because they're going to get some more money from the government or would they actually need to have an interest and aptitude in the subjects they wish to study at university?
    Most people doing STEM degrees are doing a useless degree

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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    True but if its cheaper , people may be inclined to do it over other stuff.
    To the minuscule extent that this would happen (in general, people would just go 'Oh, shame I'm not good at a STEM subject then'), there would be no impact on the number of people with a useful knowledge of STEM subjects, as the only reason you would go to university to do a subject just because it was cheaper would be to have the 'university experience', so people doing this would likely miss as many lectures as they could and spend their whole time partying.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Which are the useless degrees? All the ones that aren't 'STEM'? And are the people who'd otherwise do 'useless degrees' going to be able to do STEM degrees just because they're going to get some more money from the government or would they actually need to have an interest and aptitude in the subjects they wish to study at university?
    Useless was probably a bit harsh, probably much less useful. The case is for a lot of prospective uni students is that they're not really sure what they want to do, so they pick something like Geography. And then end up being a geography tutor or sth. like that. It would give a push towards STEM.

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    (Original post by BobBobson)
    Useless was probably a bit harsh, probably much less useful. The case is for a lot of prospective uni students is that they're not really sure what they want to do, so they pick something like Geography. And then end up being a geography tutor or sth. like that. It would give a push towards STEM.

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    You realise BSc Geography degrees fall under the STEM umbrella? :facepalm2:
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    You realise BSc Geography degrees fall under the STEM umbrella? :facepalm2:
    Just because it's a BSc, doesn't make it STEM.. That would mean that Maths from cambridge isn't STEM because it's BA

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    (Original post by BobBobson)
    Just because it's a BSc, doesn't make it STEM.. That would mean that Maths from cambridge isn't STEM because it's BA

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    I didn't say it was STEM by virtue of the fact that it's a BSc degree, I said BSc Geography (read: physical geography) degrees are STEM subjects according to both the Government and UCAS. So your example makes no sense.
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    (Original post by BobBobson)
    Useless was probably a bit harsh, probably much less useful. The case is for a lot of prospective uni students is that they're not really sure what they want to do, so they pick something like Geography. And then end up being a geography tutor or sth. like that. It would give a push towards STEM.

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    Yeah lol forgot Law was less useful than Marine Biology.

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    Yeah lol forgot Law was less useful than Marine Biology.

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    Hey, don't diss Marine Biology
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    Yeah lol forgot Law was less useful than Marine Biology.

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    In terms of good for society, probably yeah. Just because lawyers make a lot of money...

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    (Original post by BobBobson)
    In terms of good for society, probably yeah. Just because lawyers make a lot of money...

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    Law is less useful?
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    To the minuscule extent that this would happen (in general, people would just go 'Oh, shame I'm not good at a STEM subject then', there would be no impact on the number of people with a useful knowledge of STEM subjects, as the only reason you would go to university to do a subject just because it was cheaper would be to have the 'university experience', so people doing this would likely miss as many lectures as they could and spend their whole time partying.
    Good point, jape perhaps put a grade requirement on it , ( I suggest 2:1)
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    (Original post by BobBobson)
    In terms of good for society, probably yeah. Just because lawyers make a lot of money...

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    Really? You not a fan of the right to a fair trial and the rule of law then?

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