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    (Original post by SonoLuma)
    So now you are just splitting hairs.

    And youve missed my point. Whether it is paid for or not, it is graffiti.

    Criminality does not instantly negate all artistic merit.
    You are doing that. I don't see what you're failing to understand; if it's your own property or the owner of the property allows you to graffiti, then obv it's legal.

    If it's not yours and you do not have permission from the owner then it is a crime and you should be arrested. Quite simple if I'm honest. Just because it looks nice doesn't mean it's not a crime lol.
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    (Original post by SonoLuma)
    Thanks, it's not often that i genuinely get indignant on behalf of others work, but there are some murals and works on the side of walls that have literally taken my breath away, that no art gallery has ever done before nor since.

    People who have lost their loves, people who have had their lives taken away, so much emotion and so much worth and culture, is reduced to "criminality" when curmudgeonly busybodies forget that life is about living.

    (and the works I speak of are mostly commissioned, negating any argument people have about "criminality"... Its like people saying they dont like "hiphop" and then say they love bonobo lol)
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    Exactly, a lot of street art I've seen are completely amazing. Most of them are so beautiful and detailed, they're simply works of art. Powerful too.
    Yep, pretty sad to see some people simply saying they're criminals or that they're not real artists; I'd like to see them try :rofl:
    :yep: Most street art has been commissioned by the borough/area etc, but people don't know that. Usually they've been given permission to do so, and the majority of these street artists have social media where they post their art and allow people to make commissions
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    (Original post by Pikachū)
    You are doing that. I don't see what you're failing to understand; if it's your own property or the owner of the property allows you to graffiti, then obv it's legal.

    If it's not yours and you do not have permission from the owner then it is a crime and you should be arrested. Quite simple if I'm honest. Just because it looks nice doesn't mean it's not a crime lol.
    You again are missing my point. While basically telling me what I am trying to assert.

    I hate saying or hearing this, but hopefully youll open your mind in future. I really cannot be bothered to reply again. You clearly have your blinkers on.

    Ill highlight another sentence and link it into the reason for this thread "Criminality does not negate all artistic merit." the OP asked if graffiti was art or vandalism. I can see both sides, you clearly only see one.

    Lighten the f**k up.
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    (Original post by SonoLuma)
    You again are missing my point. While basically telling me what I am trying to assert.

    I hate saying or hearing this, but hopefully youll open your mind in future. I really cannot be bothered to reply again. You clearly have your blinkers on.

    Ill highlight another sentence and link it into the reason for this thread "Criminality does not negate all artistic merit." the OP asked if graffiti was art or vandalism. I can see both sides, you clearly only see one.

    Lighten the f**k up.
    "Lighten up, just let people vandalise others' property because it looks nice" - This is the basis of your argument. I didn't say it negates artistic merit, it may well be a very nice painting but if it's not your property it's illegal and a crime.
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    (Original post by serah.exe)
    Wish I could rep you again.
    Exactly, a lot of street art I've seen are completely amazing. Most of them are so beautiful and detailed, they're simply works of art. Powerful too.
    Yep, pretty sad to see some people simply saying they're criminals or that they're not real artists; I'd like to see them try :rofl:
    :yep: Most street art has been commissioned by the borough/area etc, but people don't know that. Usually they've been given permission to do so, and the majority of these street artists have social media where they post their art and allow people to make commissions
    Yeah, thanks! sorry I always forget to rep!! lol

    God so true, the amount of idiots who dont know how wide and diverse the scenes are... Some started as criminals until the owner of a wall they had sprayed loved the work and let them complete it (so starting as a criminal, and through art they gained a place for their work)

    Or some literally buy walls for themselves and spray, while constantly getting the police called on them. Others graffiti... over racist and violent imagery that a**holes have sprayed. Some barter wall space in exchange for community favours (such as repairing a gate or something)

    People see in black and white all the damn time. Sometimes, there is a swathe of greys.

    I get the feeling many people just want to be "right"
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    lol some people are so butthurt just coz other people have different opinions to them :rofl:

    I hate graffiti anyways that's my opinion
    Watch me get hate for it :rofl:
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    lol some people are so butthurt just coz other people have different opinions to them :rofl:

    I hate graffiti anyways that's my opinion
    Watch me get hate for it :rofl:
    Watch out, failed artists are gonna get triggered :rofl:

    "it's a nice painting so it shouldn't be a crime" :toofunny:
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    lol some people are so butthurt just coz other people have different opinions to them :rofl:

    I hate graffiti anyways that's my opinion
    Watch me get hate for it :rofl:
    Must be why you posted anonymous.. Laugh away.
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    Watch out, failed artists are gonna get triggered :rofl:

    "it's a nice painting so it shouldn't be a crime" :toofunny:
    loooooool
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    (Original post by SonoLuma)
    Must be why you posted anonymous.. Laugh away.
    Nothing wrong with people having different opinions to yours
    Just accept instead of hating
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    (Original post by SonoLuma)
    Yeah, thanks! sorry I always forget to rep!! lol

    God so true, the amount of idiots who dont know how wide and diverse the scenes are... Some started as criminals until the owner of a wall they had sprayed loved the work and let them complete it (so starting as a criminal, and through art they gained a place for their work)

    Or some literally buy walls for themselves and spray, while constantly getting the police called on them. Others graffiti... over racist and violent imagery that a**holes have sprayed. Some barter wall space in exchange for community favours (such as repairing a gate or something)

    People see in black and white all the damn time. Sometimes, there is a swathe of greys.

    I get the feeling many people just want to be "right"
    Yepp. Most of these street art have been done with permission, and it's not obvious. It's not like they're gonna put a tag saying "done with permission" lmao so some people shouldn't just say it's criminal work. Anyway, the OP said if you see it as art or not, he/she didn't mention if it's illegal art.

    Yep :yep:, there's no point talking to people like that because they always think they're right no matter what, and then make anonymous posts to agree with themselves :rofl::toofunny:
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    Well at least OP has some good discussion material now
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    Nothing wrong with people having different opinions to yours
    Just accept instead of hating
    I can tell you are young. You seem to think I hate you simply for having a different opinion. Its about how you put your points across.

    This is more a message to all who use the word "hater," but people dont hate you if you have the same opinions as other people. Dont be so sensitive.
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    (Original post by SonoLuma)
    I can tell you are young. You seem to think I hate you simply for having a different opinion. Its about how you put your points across.

    This is more a message to all who use the word "hater," but people dont hate you if you have the same opinions as other people. Dont be so sensitive.
    Me sensitive? Dude i wasn't the one getting defensive and swearing lol
    Anyways enjoy the rest of ur night
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    Some street art is really tasteful. Others are awful ( like when you go through a train tunnel and there's just writing in graffiti style ).

    If street art was planned properly, in terms of location and what was designed, I think it could be really great! It doesn't have to be the typical graffiti style art all the time either.
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    (Original post by serah.exe)
    SonoLuma He's still posting anonymously :rofl:
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    Honestly, I don't want to come across as judgmental but I am going to comment from a purely legal standpoint, adhering to the question in the OP - graffiti is vandalism if it is done on property with no permission. It matters not that it is artistic, it is the law. :dontknow:

    I believe that is what the user was saying, legal acts will inevitably lead to legal consequences.

    I do appreciate a bit of graffiti too, and I can see it from an artistic standpoint - some is very aesthetically appealing. But if we start to accept illegal acts purely on the basis that they are 'artistic', where do we draw the line? Art can be very subjective.
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    Vandalism. Can't they put it on paper rather than cheapening the look of a place? The best graffiti will always cheapen a place, nice work on the wrong canvas is the way I see it.
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    (Original post by SinsNotTragedies)
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    Honestly, I don't want to come across as judgmental but I am going to comment from a purely legal standpoint, adhering to the question in the OP - graffiti is vandalism if it is done on property with no permission. It matters not that it is artistic, it is the law. :dontknow:

    I believe that is what the user was saying, legal acts will inevitably lead to legal consequences.

    I do appreciate a bit of graffiti too, and I can see it from an artistic standpoint - some is very aesthetically appealing. But if we start to accept illegal acts purely on the basis that they are 'artistic', where do we draw the line? Art can be very subjective.
    I understand what you're saying. The thing is, is that most of the street art you see IS legal. They've been given permission to do so, and/or they've been paid to make their art there.
    That's the type of street art which people consider art. Most of the street artist leave their social media information on the side of their art, and you can clearly see when searching it up that they've been given permission.
    They're not just going to spray next to it "done with permission" are they now?

    However, I agree that random graffiti of words on trains and stuff aren't legal, and that's vandalism. That's criminals
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    Well I guess it depends. If they don't have permission then its vandalism no matter how good it is.

    If its not vandalism (so they have permission or its their land) then I guess its considered art depending on what it is. Is it just some scribbles or is it proper art work? It can be both as well, so both vandalism and art. But I don't think that should be allowed, damaging peoples property.

    If its not damaging property or they are allowed then im fine with it. Just as long as it isn't some random scribbles. Some pieces of graffiti is actually quite good. Especially in areas which needs it, like tunnels.
    But I guess most of the time it is vandalism, as people are doing it are commiting a crime. That shouldn't be allowed imo.
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    (Original post by serah.exe)
    I understand what you're saying. The thing is, is that most of the street art you see IS legal. They've been given permission to do so, and/or they've been paid to make their art there.
    That's the type of street art which people consider art. Most of the street artist leave their social media information on the side of their art, and you can clearly see when searching it up that they've been given permission.
    They're not just going to spray next to it "done with permission" are they now?

    However, I agree that random graffiti of words on trains and stuff aren't legal, and that's vandalism. That's criminals
    Yes that is true - and that is when it is acceptable, not when artists emulate this type of work without seeking permission.

    And it is even beneficial, it increases the value of property - such as in the case of Banksy. I remember reading about a piece of his that got painted over by a local council, only for them to rebut this by welcoming his future artwork when they realised how profitable it would be for them. :lol:

    And actually, I think graffiti improves grey and dull urban areas, especially where there is brutalist-type architecture. It is very much a class expression thing in these instances and reminds us of humanity in these areas. That is where the art is, and I personally do think that councils should give permission to graffiti artists for their property in areas such as these.
 
 
 
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