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V1097 – Murder (Sentencing) Bill 2017 (Second Reading) watch

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    V1097 – Murder (Sentencing) Bill 2017 (Second Reading), TSR Government
    Murder (Sentencing) Bill 2017
    A Bill to remove mandatory life sentences for the crime of murder

    BE IT ENACTED by The Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Commons in this present Parliament assembled, in accordance with the provisions of the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949, and by the authority of the same, as follows:-

    1. Removal of mandatory life sentence for murder
    1. The finding of a defendant to be guilty of murder shall no longer result in a mandatory life sentence.
    2. The Sentencing Council shall produce revised sentencing guidelines which account for this change.

    2. Commencement, Short Title and Extent
    1. This Act may be referred to as the Murder Act 2017
    2. This Act will extend to the United Kingdom; and;
    3. This Act shall come into force on 1st May 2017; except for s1(2), which shall come into force immediately.

    This means that persons found guilty of murder are no longer automatically sentenced to life - but does not remove the possibility of judges doing so where it is found to be appropriate. This greater flexibility will allow for more appropriate sentencing to the goals thereof - there is scant evidence that greater sentences produce a greater deterrent effect: http://eml.berkeley.edu/~jmccrary/ch...ccrary2014.pdf.

    Real Life Examples:

    Patrick Magee was released from prison in 1999, having served 14 years in prison. Originally he was sentenced to eight life sentences and a minimum tariff of 35 years.
    While in prison he completed a PhD, and now works for the charity Building Bridges for Peace, a non-profit promoting peace and conflict resolution throughout the world.
    Would Dr Magee have been able to do these things if he had spent at least another 20 years in prison? Or would that actually have been worse, isolating him completely from society, therefore preventing his rehabilitation and integration back into society?

    1) R v Williams [2016] - defendant (29) convicted of murder for retaliating with too much violence when a prostitute attempted to steal his phone and wallet (he pushed her to the floor and then kicked her in the head in anger).
    2) R v Golds [2016] - defendant with a lengthy history of mental illness convicted of murder of his partner after jury rejected partial defence of diminished responsibility.
    3) R v Keane [2016] - owner of a pub overreacts by repeatedly punching man in the head who assaults him when he insists on last orders.
    4) R v Gnango [2011] - man who shoots back after being shot at is convicted of murder by joint enterprise when a bullet shot by the other person kills a bystander.
    5) R v Gedraitis [2016] - man who stands by while his friend sets fire to a bag in victim's home, which burns down causing his death, convicted of murder by joint enterprise.
    6) R v Lindo [2016] - man who has been sold a stronger drug than he asked for by a dealer hits victim (a stranger) in the face with a brick while suffering from hallucinations caused by stronger drug convicted of murder.
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    Aye - murder cases are rarely so black and white, there should be provision for this whereby judges can decide on a case-by-case basis, it is clearly a more logical idea.

    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    Aye - murder cases are rarely so black and white, there should be provision for this whereby judges can decide on a case-by-case basis, it is clearly a more logical idea.
    Most people don't even serve the life sentence even if they receive one.
    We shouldn't be going soft on crime.
    I would advise all members to vote nay if they believe in law and order

    Obviously some examples given are valid such as self defence but those shouldn't be classed as murder.

    It is better than the U.S.A however as you can still appeal , get out/ be proven innocent here. The amount of people that have been pardoned in America after being sent to death disturbs me.

    Mr Speaker..

    I am pretty liberal when it comes to justice in that i'd relax most sentencing law to the point that a large percentage of crimes would not see a custodial sentence however there are certain crimes for which there should be no forgiveness, no remorse and no doubt about what lengths we will go to in order to protect our citizenry. Murder is one of these crimes!

    When a member of our species takes the life of another, it is an act of unremitting depravity and horror. An act which makes somebody sub-human. An act which renders that thing undeserving of any rehabilitation.

    I implore my fellow colleagues to vote against this bill and send a clear to this government that leniency in the case of murder is neither warranted nor wanted.
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    Rakas nicely echoes my own thoughts on this Bill - a No vote from me.

    Ayes to the right: 21
    Noes to the left: 21
    Abstentions: 8
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