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B1107 – Voluntary Prisoner Euthanasia Bill 2017 Watch

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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    If euthanasia is illegal for law abiding citizens, it certainly shouldn't be legal for criminals committing serious crimes like rape and murder (which are likely if they've been sentenced to a minimum of 15yrs ) and by enforcing that, you're punishing the innocent and rewarding the guilty.

    So it's a no from me. Let them rot
    In tsr land euthanasia is legal
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    (Original post by _gcx)
    Although I don't agree with that statement;following that line of logic, this process would be far less time-consuming, and likely far less expensive as a result, when compared to "traditional" capital punishment, the difference being that this process would be entirely voluntary.
    The outcome is very different, executing them in the first instance kills all of them, letting the state kill them because they lack the balls to do it themselves or sit it out kills but a few

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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Most people don't serve a full life sentence though. They get "life" sentences but then get released after 20 years.
    Which is a failure of the system.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Which is a failure of the system.

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    Perhaps, but it's still a fact
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I doubt this'll surprise anyone but I'm strongly opposed.

    I agonised and continue to agonise over the concept of euthanasia. But I was not distressed when the Assisted Dying Act passed (I was one of only 3 to abstain) because I understood it would only apply to the terminally ill and I can respect how one might want to take control of one's destiny in such a situation. But this? This is revolting.

    I will not tolerate the worst criminals taking the easy way out and I won't allow those who might otherwise be rehabilitated to, in a moment of weakness, let themselves be lost forever. The clear implication of this bill is that a prisoner's life is worth less depending on the sentence they're serving - why else would the 15 year requirement be included. Prisons should provide a tough but ultimately transformative, positive experience. They should not be places that people kill themselves to leave.

    I strongly encourage colleagues to reject this bill and the thinking behind it.
    I would have also abstained. I agree with you on this.
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    (Original post by Emily Porter)
    I would have also abstained. I agree with you on this.
    Thank you Emily. I'd have just repped your but apparently I have done so too recently, so the site won't let me.
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    (Original post by ByronicHero)
    Prison shouldn't be about punishment for punishment sake. That's ridiculous.

    Your second point is incorrect as there is no punishment.

    Also, your points contradict each other.
    Prison should serve both as a punishment for serious offences and for rehabilitative purposes.

    How do they contradict eachother? I oppose capital punishment as I believe the state has no right to take lives, of criminals or anyone else for that matter.
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    (Original post by Emily Porter)
    Prison should serve both as a punishment for serious offences and for rehabilitative purposes.

    How do they contradict eachother? I oppose capital punishment as I believe the state has no right to take lives, of criminals or anyone else for that matter.
    Because you said it isn't punishing people then said it is like capital punishment
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    Hmmm, you've so far proposed two bills that would ultimately lead to the death of citizens.

    Just a lil' concerned about your motives
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Because you said it isn't punishing people then said it is like capital punishment
    I believe in punishment. I don't believe in state-sanctioned deaths.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Because you said it isn't punishing people then said it is like capital punishment
    I also see death as a quick, easy way out. How are they actually being punished lol
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    (Original post by Emily Porter)
    I believe in punishment. I don't believe in state-sanctioned deaths.
    Did/do you oppose v1033
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    (Original post by Emily Porter)
    Hmmm, you've so far proposed two bills that would ultimately lead to the death of citizens.

    Just a lil' concerned about your motives
    One is a petition that leads to a referendum to create a debate that we oppose.

    This allows people who want to die to be able to die

    Hardly a terrible motive or do you think people should be forced to live? Would you make suicide illegal?
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    Nay.
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    (Original post by Paracosm)
    Nay.
    Considering your party legalised euthanasia last year, why do you oppose it for prisoners?

    Is it because you feel that prisoners don't deserve the same rights as ordinary citizens? Not a very liberal approach...

    Of course if you didn't support that bill then I stand corrected and do apologise.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
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    For the reasons listed below:

    (Original post by Emily Porter)
    No. This isn't punishing the prisoner for the crime they've committed. Plus this is implicitly capital punishment.

    Wtf
    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I doubt this'll surprise anyone but I'm strongly opposed.

    I agonised and continue to agonise over the concept of euthanasia. But I was not distressed when the Assisted Dying Act passed (I was one of only 3 to abstain) because I understood it would only apply to the terminally ill and I can respect how one might want to take control of one's destiny in such a situation. But this? This is revolting.

    I will not tolerate the worst criminals taking the easy way out and I won't allow those who might otherwise be rehabilitated to, in a moment of weakness, let themselves be lost forever. The clear implication of this bill is that a prisoner's life is worth less depending on the sentence they're serving - why else would the 15 year requirement be included. Prisons should provide a tough but ultimately transformative, positive experience. They should not be places that people kill themselves to leave.

    I strongly encourage colleagues to reject this bill and the thinking behind it.
    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    +1

    Ultimately, this stops prison being the rehabilitative process it should be
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    (Original post by Paracosm)
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    Fair enough.
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    Abstain.
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    ByronicHero perhaps put a term of the seriousness of the crime. I would support this but for example terrorists or mass murders need to suffer and this could be the easy way out. Perhaps if should be a person has killed more than x amount of people they don't have the option of euthanasia.
    Otherwise this is a good bill!
 
 
 
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