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      (Original post by Quantex)
      I'm well aware of the tiny number of Westerners who are willing to make a sacrifice in the fight against ISIS.
      Most estimates are in the hundreds, comparable to the number that have joined the IS. If you're well aware, perhaps you shouldn't have said otherwise in the first place.

      They put to shame those who merely talk about being opposed to ISIS from the safe space of their computer.
      I fail to see how a criticism of the IS on the Internet/using a computer is made less legitimate because of it.

      In any case, the objection is that feminists prefer to focus on relatively small problems in the west at the expense of not giving due attention to the plight of women outside the west. (To which an intelligent rebuttal is possible, had you bothered with it: there's no reason feminists can't care about both the west and the rest of the world.) You'll notice that's a bit different to your caricature of angry 'manlets' demanding that women go and fight the IS on the ground.

      i prefer people to be actively doing something themselves before they starting *****ing about the perceived inaction or indifference of others. There is nothing ignorant about that.
      This is nonsense on the level of claiming one can't be for a military action unless prepared to enlist and participate oneself (in addition to being a straw man as explained above). Great as a cheap shot at people's character, worthless in terms of argumentative weight.

      You don't come across much better than the sanctimonious keyboard warriors you harp on about. It's easy to be against hysterical MRA types, and even easier to pretend anyone you disagree with is one. That's probably why you prefer it to explaining what is so illegitimate about questioning an inconsistency in someone's views.
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      Funny how the people saying "They only care about the west because they live in the west" are the same people who pretend to care about terrorist attacks in the middle east, and berate people for only caring about terrorist attacks that happen in western countries.
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      Probably for the same reason we're more likely to collectively condemn terrorist attacks in Europe and the Anglosphere, despite the fact that the scale and severity of such attacks pales in comparison to attacks elsewhere? :dontknow:
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      (Original post by Dima-Blackburn)
      Probably for the same reason we're more likely to collectively condemn terrorist attacks in Europe and the Anglosphere, despite the fact that the scale and severity of such attacks pales in comparison to attacks elsewhere? :dontknow:
      Yeah but the same people that harp on about terrorist attacks in the middle east, pretending to care, whenever a terrorist attack happens in the west, and condemn people for not caring about the middle east, are the same people that justify their lack of care for womens rights in other cultures on this basis.
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      (Original post by housat)
      Yeah but the same people that harp on about terrorist attacks in the middle east, pretending to care, whenever a terrorist attack happens in the west, and condemn people for not caring about the middle east, are the same people that justify their lack of care for womens rights in other cultures on this basis.
      That's true as a general statement, and it is hypocritical. However, the hypocrisy comes from both sides. Those who demand that Western women march against Saudi and ISIS are the same people who justify their apathy towards terror attack victims in the Middle East.
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      (Original post by loveleest)
      How is marching for Trump going to make a difference? He is still the president at the end of the day and marching would not stop him doing whatever he is going to do.
      That's not entirely true.
      Polish government backed down with abortion ban after thousands of women blocked the capital and other main cities. Having said that, the project was already in the Parliament ready for votes.
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      (Original post by housat)
      Yeah but the same people that harp on about terrorist attacks in the middle east, pretending to care, whenever a terrorist attack happens in the west, and condemn people for not caring about the middle east, are the same people that justify their lack of care for womens rights in other cultures on this basis.
      I would say those people who "harp on about terrorist attacks in the ME" are in a similar camp as the OP then. I'm sure those people probably do genuinely care about the attacks in the ME, just like the OP probably cares about women's rights issues in the ME. Generally speaking however, it's more-or-less a social fact that people are more likely to express solidarity with others like them.
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      (Original post by Nottie)
      That's not entirely true.
      Polish government backed down with abortion ban after thousands of women blocked the capital and other main cities. Having said that, the project was already in the Parliament ready for votes.
      So because a few hundred thousand marched because they're still pissed at losing Trump is going to resign?

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      I wish they would demonstrate in my country. There are literally no laws separating man from woman in the first world
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      (Original post by WBZ144)
      That's true as a general statement, and it is hypocritical. However, the hypocrisy comes from both sides. Those who demand that Western women march against Saudi and ISIS are the same people who justify their apathy towards terror attack victims in the Middle East.
      The difference is one side doesn't really pretend to care and is just calling out hypocracy.
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      (Original post by housat)
      The difference is one side doesn't really pretend to care and is just calling out hypocracy.
      Oh, but they do pretend to care if they think that it's useful for their agenda (which is mainly to stifle criticism of their leaders and their policies).
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      (Original post by Jammy Duel)
      So because a few hundred thousand marched because they're still pissed at losing Trump is going to resign?

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      No. I think the protest is pointless, because there are many other things you can potentially protest about (such as the Saudi thing) and doing it over a 'bad guy who says ugly words won the election' seems ridiculous to me.
      I was just pointing out that women marches do matter when there's an actual issue, but if you go on the streets every month no one will care once something serious happens.
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      For the same reason Western campaigners on various other issues primarily focus on those issues within their own societies.
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      (Original post by WBZ144)
      They are not marching against Trump just to make some noise, they are marching to show him that if he does implement policies against women (such as anti-choice legislation), he will be opposed.
      Then they're kind of wasting their time. He said he'd like to ban partial birth, not all abortions.
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      Because they're stupid basically. They stopped thinking reasonably and independently and swallowed the SJW protest tactics package. It's about pushing for privileges and socialist state control which favours minorities. It's certainly NOT about caring for the rights of women globally who are being really harmed and persecuted. Critique of any practices in Islamic cultures/countries is off limits to them. Both Islam and the new Third Wave feminist lobby wants totalitarianism not proper democracy. Their ends justifies the means for them which to my mind is utterly bankrupt morally and cruel. They coldly are prepared to sacrifice a great many to achieve their goal of making a scapegoat and whipping boy of a mythical 'white patriarchy'. They disgust me because they are not helping suffering women. They are a disgrace to the suffragette movement. They've perverted it and turned it into something ugly and dirty. Why are they not, for example, campaigning for the release of thousands of Yazidi girls and women sexually enslaved by ISIS? or an end to FGM? or an end to child bride marriage? It's beyond belief. But things are beginning to turn. Perhaps their days are numbered. People are beginning to wise up to it and seeing it for what it is. Thank God.
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      because feminists are opportunists and self-perpetuating egoists
      they're only feminists because they want to be victimised in the west because they're a bunch of attention seeking brats
      so they have to construct this berserk narrative of patriarchy and exploitation when it doesn't exist
      that's why they don't care about the middle east - because the victimhood they construct in the west is totally different to the real victimhood of women in the middle east, so it would be contradictory.

      also, feminists today are cultural relativists - they feel they can't criticise other people's cultures
      which basically means that you can be a horrendous sexist so long as you're from another culture
      basically this also means that there was technically nothing wrong with early-modern western slavery because it was "just another culture" - and if you tell them that, they'll call you a misogynist for criticising the ideas of a woman
     
     
     
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