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    While I agree with this statement, it's a little bit disingenuous as it ignores the important factor that conceptions of "equality" vary wildly. As an individualist feminist, my view of equality is very different to the types of feminists who think that equality is achieved with a censorious attitude.

    If equality simply means that men and women should be treated by the law equally then I think there would be very, very few who would consider themselves not to be feminists. But for many feminists, "equality" means something very different. Equality can mean censorious attitudes, banning speakers from university campuses (for more info, click here), pressuring publications or TV shows to stop or change, telling women how they should and shouldn't live, and shouting down opponents.

    This is why many people are wary of feminism, and why it is unfair to outcast anyone who doesn't identify as a feminist as someone who opposes equality. It may just be that they don't support the very skewed and specific ideas of equality which many of the most vocal circles of feminists endorse.
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    The definition of feminism isn't particularly important. North Korea calls itself a 'Democratic People's Republic,' but we all know this is meaningless.

    Feminism these days seems less concerned with treating men and women equally and more concerned with exaggerating women's "issues" and giving women the special treatment. Half of the stuff they harp on about is either wrong or overstated. Sometimes it's downright sexist towards men. Blatant double standards concerning sexual conduct and discrimination, for example.
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    I hate feminism and I am a woman
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    (Original post by Dandaman1)
    The definition of feminism isn't particularly important. North Korea calls itself a 'Democratic People's Republic,' but we all know this is meaningless.

    Feminism these days seems less concerned with treating men and women equally and more concerned with exaggerating women's "issues" and giving women the special treatment. Half of the stuff they harp on about is either wrong or overstated. Sometimes it's downright sexist towards men. Blatant double standards concerning sexual conduct and discrimination, for example.
    But the point is, what is equality? They say "feminism just means equality" as if it is an unequivocal statement, when actually it's very nebulous. I think this is a very important point to understand.
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    feminism is about women picking and choosing what parts of equality they really want.
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    (Original post by Angry Bird)
    feminism is about women picking and choosing what parts of equality they really want.
    But their is no definitive idea of equality, so they may well just be picking out parts of a conception of equality which is entirely their own. For example, some feminists think equality can only be achieved by banning things like porn or strip clubs, while other more liberal feminists believe that equality can only be achieved by allowing women to make their own choices. Yet another school of feminist thought will tell you that stuff like porn and stripping can actually be empowering for women and can aid equality.
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    (Original post by לזייןהאיסלאם)
    For example, some feminists think equality can only be achieved by banning things like porn or strip clubs, while other more liberal feminists believe that equality can only be achieved by allowing women to make theIr choices
    Not many people know this but some of the biggest supporters, consumers, advocates, financiers and profiteers of pornography are feminists. There are entire feminist organisations that are solely devoted to advocating, spreading and supporting pornography and prostitution.

    There's this one feminist 'activist' that runs one of the biggest pornography Websites on the internet that recently set up a website/group were She pimps out prostitutes to male clients. Her story became famous after she filmed herself attacking a taxi driver whom she accused of Objectifying women for having a female Hawaiian dancing figurine in his car....yes, the irony and hypocrisy of feminism has no limits....this story is a very interesting one. I recommend people look it up. I might even start a thread about it.
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    Men generally are more supportive of equality 86% of men support it but only 74% of women
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    You don't need to worry about feminism, it's been replaced by queer theory.
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    (Original post by לזייןהאיסלאם)
    If equality simply means that men and women should be treated by the law equally
    "Humanity can not be made equal by declarations on paper. Unless the material conditions for equality exist, it is worse than mockery to pronounce men equal."
    - Voltairine De Cleyre

    Limiting equality to "equality before the law" simply works to maintain the advantages of those who held them when the law wasn't equal.
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    I agree that feminists tend to pick and choose the rights and social appreciation that they want rather than seek equality. An example would be if a man said "mow the lawn while I cook the tea," how many feminists would happily agree and mow the lawn? Yet if a man argued that it is generally a male role in the household, there would be a feminist uproar over the situation.
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    Modern day, western feminists are hilarious; they all just seem to be so upset they weren't born forty years ago when feminism was actually needed so they just create problems that don't exist and claim anything that negatively effects a woman is sexism


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    We don't need equality, we simply don't need it. Call me fuddy-duddy old Len, but I don't know why we can't just stick to traditional gender roles - they've been working successfully for thousands of years.
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    (Original post by Len Goodman)
    We don't need equality, we simply don't need it. Call me fuddy-duddy old Len, but I don't know why we can't just stick to traditional gender roles - they've been working successfully for thousands of years.
    Having gender roles is different to equality. Men and women are and should be equals, but that does not mean they are equal.
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    (Original post by Len Goodman)
    We don't need equality, we simply don't need it. Call me fuddy-duddy old Len, but I don't know why we can't just stick to traditional gender roles - they've been working successfully for thousands of years.
    Fuddy-duddy old Len, you can't say they've been working better than something else unless you try that other thing. Anyway, what are your metrics for saying they've worked?
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    How many of these threads are we going to get this year?
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    Only 7% of Britons label themselves as feminists

    Enough said.
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    (Original post by h3rmit)
    Fuddy-duddy old Len, you can't say they've been working better than something else unless you try that other thing. Anyway, what are your metrics for saying they've worked?
    Men and women have evolved to be very different by nature. The most obvious, indisputable difference is that men tend to be physically stronger, but then it's not unreasonable to think that there might be other differences besides physical ones too e.g. cognitive, emotional and psychological, as a result of significantly different brain structures and hormones, as well as the environments they would have had to be able to cope with for their genes to be favoured in natural selection. There's no basis for assuming that they are exactly the same by nature.

    So it shouldn't really come as a shock that, even when men and women are given ultimate freedom to pursue whatever roles and lifestyles they want, a sort of divergence becomes apparent.

    It's also obvious in the world of business, or anything involving teamwork, that teams function most effectively when the skill-sets and behaviours of its members are complementary rather than identical, and when one person (rather than two people) occupy the highest leadership role.
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    (Original post by tazarooni89)
    Men and women have evolved to be very different by nature. The most obvious, indisputable difference is that men tend to be physically stronger, but then it's not unreasonable to think that there might be other differences besides physical ones too e.g. cognitive, emotional and psychological, as a result of significantly different brain structures and hormones, as well as the environments they would have had to be able to cope with for their genes to be favoured in natural selection. There's no basis for assuming that they are exactly the same by nature.

    So it shouldn't really come as a shock that, even when men and women are given ultimate freedom to pursue whatever roles and lifestyles they want, a sort of divergence becomes apparent.

    It's also obvious in the world of business, or anything involving teamwork, that teams function most effectively when the skill-sets and behaviours of its members are complementary rather than identical, and when one person (rather than two people) occupy the highest leadership role.
    On paper we have equality before the law, both men and women are free what to do. Feminism is wrong/unnecessary.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/health-38717926

    Hmmmmm.
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    (Original post by tazarooni89)
    Men and women have evolved to be very different by nature. The most obvious, indisputable difference is that men tend to be physically stronger, but then it's not unreasonable to think that there might be other differences besides physical ones too e.g. cognitive, emotional and psychological, as a result of significantly different brain structures and hormones, as well as the environments they would have had to be able to cope with for their genes to be favoured in natural selection. There's no basis for assuming that they are exactly the same by nature.

    So it shouldn't really come as a shock that, even when men and women are given ultimate freedom to pursue whatever roles and lifestyles they want, a sort of divergence becomes apparent.
    If you want to be sure this is true, you need to test it empirically which requires giving women and men ultimate freedom to choose their roles and to try out all available roles so they can decidde what they prefer.

    It's also obvious in the world of business, or anything involving teamwork, that teams function most effectively when the skill-sets and behaviours of its members are complementary rather than identical, and when one person (rather than two people) occupy the highest leadership role.
    Surely this is a reason for not having traditional gender roles (in which all the people in business would be men, hence giving more identical skill-sets and behaviours), but instead having a more even mix of sexes.
 
 
 
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