Voting systems that protect geographical minorities are stupid

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anonymous1809
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Why should the vote of someone who lives in a city be worth less than the vote of someone who lives in a rural area?

If it's to protect the interests of the minority then we should give more voting power to other minorities too.
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  1. trump is illegitimate because he lost the popular vote
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  1. trump is illegitimate because he lost the popular vote
Why should a sparsely populated constituency in Wales have the same voting power as a London borough where people actually live?
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(Original post by knightchildish)

  1. trump is illegitimate because he lost the popular vote
This is UK politics, not USA politics.
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The voting system is set up like the United States of America, it is a republic and that is how the voting system is set out.
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Why should a sparsely populated constituency in Wales have the same voting power as a London borough where people actually live?
That's not actually the case; all constituencies in the U.K. are cut in such a way that there aims to be approx 70,000 constituents in each one. That's why there are so many London MPs.

The only exceptions to this Orkney and Shetland Isles and the Isle of Wight I believe (for obvious reasons.)

The whole reason for the upcoming sixth boundary review is to equalise them even more.

The current ones are from 2005 and obviously populations have shifted and migrated since then, hence why they are being updated for the next election.

I assume your general point is in relation to the American system however, the purpose of that is not actually to protect geographical minorities but actually to give all the states an equal say due to their federalised style of government where the central government actually does very little with the state legislatures and governors having an overwhelming amount of power (more so than the UK's devolved assemblies in Wales, Scotland and NI.)

I appreciate such a concept being difficult to understand for a non American (considering we live in an effectively unitary system in the U.K. as opposed to a full on federal one.)

There is also the fact that the state legislators and governors can actually block the federal government. For example if Clinton did win it's arguable that she'd be ineffective considering the republicans control so many of the state legislatures.
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(Original post by anonymous1809)
Why should a sparsely populated constituency in Wales have the same voting power as a London borough where people actually live?
You're ******ed, aren't you?

So your advocating that sparsely populated regions shouldn't have a proportional vote? That's discriminating against a persons right to vote, we're not Belarus just yet.
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Proportional representation is not a viable alternative here in the UK because parties can usually win overall power with around 35% of the vote if you then switched over to a proportional representation system it would lead to weak governments based on you may need 2 or 3 parties to get an overall majority if you do not want to unite with the main enemies of your political party what i mean by this is Labour and the Tories generally combined get 65-70% of the vote and would not want to go in with each other because they are completely different ideologies, we are led to believe New Labour is Tory lite but there is a a few distinct differences which means it would be ineffective for them to operate together in a coalition. then the issue comes with Proportional representation is that if it is a three way government and one party is unhappy at a decision of the government they can exit the coalition and force another election, this will have a bad impact as there will be elections every 6 months and there will be not be time for governments to implement there own policies.
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(Original post by Connor27)
Isle of Wight I believe (for obvious reasons.)

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The Isle of Wight is actually being split into 2 different constituencies for the proposed boundaries in 2020!! (Because it in fact has one of the largest electorates in the UK of over 100,000+ !)

Also thanks for your support of the Scottish tories from another thread. Ruth Davey for FM!!!
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Why should a sparsely populated constituency in Wales have the same voting power as a London borough where people actually live?
So you are saying that if you live in the countryside you should have less say on issues that affect you than those who live in the city? I always thought we got one vote each.

I find the interesting thing about this sort of politics is that everyone hates minorities until they end up in one, at which point their rights are being ignored. So you get comfortable Middle Englanders baying for the blood of immigrants until someone tries to build something next door. All of a sudden they are up in arms at the injustice of it all. It is rather pathetic imo.
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