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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    How is calling a particular race the most privileged racist? In what way does it show dislike for people of that race?
    Clearly I was responding to this:

    There is no suffering of white women.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    The answer to this is intersectionality and class consciousness.
    Class consciousness. Like that has ever happened in the nearly two centuries since Marx invented the concept.

    As for "intersectionality" if it is the answer could you explain exactly how? Because when I tried to understand it all there was so much impenetrable jargon that I lost the will to live. So much so that I almost wondered if the jargon covered up a total lack of any actual meaning.

    But maybe I am wrong. Could you explain how it works in simple English?

    For example, is a gay white man more oppressed than a straight black one? Or vice versa?
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    (Original post by Pikachū)
    There is no suffering of white women. They are the most priviliged class in the world.
    One of the most idiotic statements I've read on TSR.
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    (Original post by Pikachū)
    There is no suffering of white women. They are the most priviliged class in the world.
    Will you say the same when you get a daughter and she gets sexually harassed?
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    Even 'black' men are less privileged than 'white' women? lol!!!

    Western society/culture = 'White' women >>>> 'Black' women >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Children > Animals > All men.
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    (Original post by astutehirstute)
    Class consciousness. Like that has ever happened in the nearly two centuries since Marx invented the concept.
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    Russian revolutions: 1905, 1917. German Revolution, Spanish Civil War, 30s general strike, Like pretty much everything that happened in early 20th century Europe has a big class component. The civil rights movement in the USA had a massive class element to it ghat has been airbrushed form history. Then you got it as recently as 1980s in this country. You have done pretty well if you are powerful enough to be describe as the enemy within by the state.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality

    Simplistically it means the world is complicated and there are a load of variables. Race, class, gender, sexuality etc are all things that determine your place in society. As to your question, I dunno, it probably depends on the situation they find themselves in and any other variables. I don't care about handing out who is the biggest victim price. I just want people to unite around getting rid of injustice. The reason I always bang on about class is that is gets disproportionately ignored and it would address the problem where left behind working class white men get pissed off by wealthy hollywood liberals who tell them they are the most privileged people on the planet. Another example is when feminists say white women voted in their race interests over their interest and a woman.This totally ignores that white women will be the wives of men who have been ****ed over by the american oligarchy. If you bring class into you can see why white working class women might vote for a pussy grabbing misogynist like Trump over a Hilary Clinton who stanhjds for the status quo of ******** on the rust belt.

    What definitely is not a solution is to just stick your fingers in your ears and pretend everything is hunky dory. Intersectionality is about trying to do something construct other than making anti-feminist memes on the internet and the left does best when it is a coalition of oppressed forces so it needs to be intersectional if it wants to succeed at anything.
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    In contrast, the stupidest sign:
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    (Original post by CyclePath)
    In contrast, the stupidest sign:
    Thats gotta be fake.

    Surely the most simple minded feminist doesn't actually believe that razors are given free to men by the US government?
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    (Original post by joe cooley)
    Thats gotta be fake.

    Surely the most simple minded feminist doesn't actually believe that razors are given free to men by the US government?
    I presume it's referring to their being taxed and priced differently, i.e. the so-called 'tampon tax' and the alleged 'pink tax'. I don't think you can expect much from a placard carried by a woman whose solution to her complaint is that men must suffer too rather than women benefiting. It says a lot about her approach to gender equality.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    No, but the fact is that the suffering of minorities should not be ignored in favour of the much lesser suffering of white women, which the media pays a lot more attention to.
    How do you justify these sweeping statements? How much people suffer is on an individual basis it's not inherently 'lesser' or 'greater' because of their skin colour.

    Also by what metric does it pay 'more attention'? More frequency doesn't mean more attention if - in a primarily white country - there are more incidents happening to white women which, all other things being similar, would be true. Further 'more attention' implies they care more, or react more to 'white women' - which media source has ever written a story in which they have something such as 'White women are discriminated against...*Article*...'Oh and maybe black women too, or something'? If anything every time a minority suffers it becomes more important because its constant 'evidence' (not evidence) to reinforce confirmation bias and bang on about 'structural racism' and all these other unproven concepts the news very much likes. Just see the BBC, the Guardian, or CNN for clear examples of this being the media response to any minority issue.
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    (Original post by ManiaMuse)
    I still have absolutely no idea what these marches were meant to be about.
    Because, like, Trump said silly stuff about a decade ago which was creepcorderd!!! And there's a bunch of false accusations about him!!!
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    -_____-

    Russian revolutions: 1905, 1917. German Revolution, Spanish Civil War, 30s general strike, Like pretty much everything that happened in early 20th century Europe has a big class component. The civil rights movement in the USA had a massive class element to it ghat has been airbrushed form history. Then you got it as recently as 1980s in this country. You have done pretty well if you are powerful enough to be describe as the enemy within by the state.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality

    Simplistically it means the world is complicated and there are a load of variables. Race, class, gender, sexuality etc are all things that determine your place in society. As to your question, I dunno, it probably depends on the situation they find themselves in and any other variables. I don't care about handing out who is the biggest victim price. I just want people to unite around getting rid of injustice. The reason I always bang on about class is that is gets disproportionately ignored and it would address the problem where left behind working class white men get pissed off by wealthy hollywood liberals who tell them they are the most privileged people on the planet. Another example is when feminists say white women voted in their race interests over their interest and a woman.This totally ignores that white women will be the wives of men who have been ****ed over by the american oligarchy. If you bring class into you can see why white working class women might vote for a pussy grabbing misogynist like Trump over a Hilary Clinton who stanhjds for the status quo of ******** on the rust belt.

    What definitely is not a solution is to just stick your fingers in your ears and pretend everything is hunky dory. Intersectionality is about trying to do something construct other than making anti-feminist memes on the internet and the left does best when it is a coalition of oppressed forces so it needs to be intersectional if it wants to succeed at anything.
    I am not saying that class isn't a major component in society, but that Marxian theory has proved incorrect. Neither the Russian nor the Chinese nor the Cuban Revolutions were proletarian revolutions. All three were agrarian societies with virtually no industry at all. Britain, which Marx had in mind, and which he believed would be the first country to undergo revolution has gone through the whole cycle, from the birth of the first industrial working class to its demise, without revolution.. The General Strike (in the 20's actually) hardly counts. And the miner's strike was a last sad whimper before the entire industry died. Along with an entire way of life. Tragically.

    You haven't really answered my question on intersectionality. As I suspected it is meaningless mumbo jumbo. There is and can be no "coalition of the oppressed" because all the components which might comprise that are too busy oppressing one another. When a Muslim fighting for Sharia which make homosexuality illegal finds common cause with a white man fighting to protect gay marriage, then you might have some hope of " intersectionality."

    Until then it is a pipe dream.
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    (Original post by MildredMalone)
    Because, like, Trump said silly stuff about a decade ago which was creepcorderd!!!
    Of what relevance is the time frame? He said it aged 60; now he's 70. Do you think the 60 years that lead to his having that character and that view of women suddenly reversed in the subsequent 10 years despite there being no evidence to believe so and plenty of evidence to believe not? Your relegating it bizarrely to "silly stuff" speaks volumes in itself. The only reason this did not cripple his campaign was because of his opponent's husband.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    The reason I always bang on about class is that is gets disproportionately ignored and it would address the problem where left behind working class white men get pissed off by wealthy hollywood liberals who tell them they are the most privileged people on the planet. Another example is when feminists say white women voted in their race interests over their interest and a woman.This totally ignores that white women will be the wives of men who have been ****ed over by the american oligarchy. If you bring class into you can see why white working class women might vote for a pussy grabbing misogynist like Trump over a Hilary Clinton who stanhjds for the status quo of ******** on the rust belt.
    Just need to pull up on this, because it's a cultural populist myth in the US that's been going round for years, and its come out again with Trump. What is a bit more surprising is just how much commentators have taken it at face value this time round. Trump voters, on average, aren't poor working class whites, but rather comfortable middle class whites. It was a similar story when talking about the Occupy and Tea Party protests - right-wing commentators all opined that the former were all privileged rich kids and the latter were genuine working class Americans (liberal commentators no longer cared about Occupy once it became apparent that it wasn't going to become a Democratic satellite in the same way the Tea Party was a Republican one, and there are virtually no unapologetically left-wing major commentators in the US), so that was the message that got through; actual empirical data showed the average Tea Partier to be noticeably richer than the average Occupier.

    Nor are they particularly "left behind". We're talking about people who regularly vote, at least in national elections. They're more likely to live in the more homogenous smaller states (i.e. they have disproportionate political weight in the Senate and Electoral College). Trump, essentially, was voted for by the people who normally vote Republican (he picked up a smaller portion of the electorate than Romney, even when you take into account non-voters).
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Just need to pull up on this, because it's a cultural populist myth in the US that's been going round for years, and its come out again with Trump. What is a bit more surprising is just how much commentators have taken it at face value this time round. Trump voters, on average, aren't poor working class whites, but rather comfortable middle class whites. It was a similar story when talking about the Occupy and Tea Party protests - right-wing commentators all opined that the former were all privileged rich kids and the latter were genuine working class Americans (liberal commentators no longer cared about Occupy once it became apparent that it wasn't going to become a Democratic satellite in the same way the Tea Party was a Republican one, and there are virtually no unapologetically left-wing major commentators in the US), so that was the message that got through; actual empirical data showed the average Tea Partier to be noticeably richer than the average Occupier.

    Nor are they particularly "left behind". We're talking about people who regularly vote, at least in national elections. They're more likely to live in the more homogenous smaller states (i.e. they have disproportionate political weight in the Senate and Electoral College). Trump, essentially, was voted for by the people who normally vote Republican (he picked up a smaller portion of the electorate than Romney, even when you take into account non-voters).
    Even better then. It;s less obstacles to get the working class on board. It seems similar to the Corbyn thing. The media narrative is that corybn voters were all well of middle class people playing at socialism where as they were actually poorer on average.

    I find it annoying how every other than working class seems to have an opinion on the working class. When they do actually try and enact some agency themselves (like tube/rail strikes in the UK) or the so called champions of the working lass turn on them.
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    (Original post by macromicro)
    Clearly I was responding to this:
    Whilst it's idiotic it's hardly racist


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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)


    The stark contrast to the yuppy selfie takers next to her can not be understated. That's how I imagine the face of bourgeois feminism.

    It seems to me that feminism in the West glosses over society's racism, and just serves as a platform for white women to claim to be the victim, when the biggest victims of all are black women. Hell, even black men have it worse than white women, something feminism seems to ignore.

    That's not surprising, given feminism's history. The feminists of old could not abide the fact that black men were given more of a say than white women. They argued that giving white women the vote would "help counter the black vote".


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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    Whilst it's idiotic it's hardly racist
    It's both, and a product of recent horseshoed racism whereby some people now think racism against white people is warranted by virtue of their alleged privilege. It's entirely backwards and to the contrary of dissolving prejudice.
 
 
 
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