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    Or does it not bother you?
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    GEM applicants were down ~10% this year, but first time applicants were up.

    Whilst it has been, and continues to be, a rough time for the NHS and doctors it has not put me off pursuing this goal and becoming a doctor.
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    What is happening now shouldn't scare you. This is just the beginning of the elderly population bubble, with trusts yet to make even a small amount of the £22bn cuts expected of them.

    Its how terrible things will be in 5 years that should.
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    What is happening now shouldn't scare you. This is just the beginning of the elderly population bubble.

    Its how terrible things will be in 5 years that should.
    Yeah that's true.
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    Not from medicine no. I can't imagine doing anything else no matter how bad things get in the NHS. I've been wondering why on earth I decided to apply to the UK though lol. The doctors (and medicine applicants) in my country seem to have it way easier. I mean I love the country, the people, the unis and the values behind the NHS but... Is it worth it? I really hope so.
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    What is happening now shouldn't scare you. This is just the beginning of the elderly population bubble, with trusts yet to make even a small amount of the £22bn cuts expected of them.

    Its how terrible things will be in 5 years that should.
    So it will get worse?
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    (Original post by WhoDaresWins)
    So it will get worse?
    Unquestionably. Much.
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    Unquestionably. Much.
    I know it's impossible to predict the future but what do you think will happen?
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    I work in an admin role in the NHS at the moment, applied for Medicine this year. Everyone is being forced to make cuts. The first things I have noticed so far are:

    1. Almost complete elimination of booking elective patients into inpatient beds (even after repeated insistence from preop, anaesthetic review etc that these patients require beds - it's day case or removed from waiting list for surgery.)

    2. CCGs refusing to provide funding for an increasing number of drugs, treatments and surgeries. Guidelines becoming stricter and stricter. It leads to a bizarre situation where we have the theatre capacity & staff to operate on patients (waiting list sizes have plummeted across the board), the consultant thinks the patient will benefit from surgery, patient wants surgery, we could fit the patient in at their leisure, but the CCG refuse to grant funding - so the patient is left out in the cold.

    3. Massive drive to maximise utilization, at the expense of training. (Specialty trainees not getting the required amount of procedures logged by end of the year etc as theatre lists are rammed to maximum utilization and beyond - no time for a trainee to take 3x as long on a case as the consultant would...)

    Most of the cuts are being made through number 2.
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    (Original post by WhoDaresWins)
    I know it's impossible to predict the future but what do you think will happen?
    I don't know - what the casualties are depends on how trusts and the government approaches the crisis. All I can say is that both the explosion in demand and the lack of funds has only just started.

    I think its safe to say that training will take a huge hit though.
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    I don't know - what the casualties are depends on how trusts and the government approaches the crisis. All I can say is that both the explosion in demand and the lack of funds has only just started.

    I think its safe to say that training will take a huge hit though.
    So NHS funding will probably stop for 5th year medical students? Or are you talking about all the training required to specialise etc?

    Edit: Oh wow how did I just see this; https://www.gov.uk/government/public...bursary-reform
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    (Original post by WhoDaresWins)
    So NHS funding will probably stop for 5th year medical students? Or are you talking about all the training required to specialise etc?

    Edit: Oh wow how did I just see this; https://www.gov.uk/government/public...bursary-reform
    The link only mentions healthcare courses other than medicine?
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    (Original post by Amedic)
    The link only mentions healthcare courses other than medicine?
    Yeah I don't see any medicine... yet :/
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    (Original post by WhoDaresWins)
    So NHS funding will probably stop for 5th year medical students? Or are you talking about all the training required to specialise etc?
    I wasn't thinking of that but maybe yeah. To be replaced by [even more] student loans of course.

    To date med students have been protected by the fact that they already pay a staggering £36,000 in fees plus maintenance loan, surely the highest of any group, and meaning they were the group that lost out the most from the rise in tuition fees. Targeting them again would be pretty nasty, and there is no indication at the moment that that would happen.

    But who knows what the future holds.
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    How do you think leaving the EU will affect us?
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    (Original post by WhoDaresWins)
    How do you think leaving the EU will affect us?
    It will significantly worsen recruitment problems and significantly hamper medical research.
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    The government have increased medicine places by I think 1,500 for next year. Might be more later on.
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    The government have increased medicine places by I think 1,500 for next year. Might be more later on.
    I don't know if competition will increase next year or decrease. University fees will probably be around 9500 a year and I have a feeling they will get rid of the NHS bursary soon :/
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    (Original post by WhoDaresWins)
    I don't know if competition will increase next year or decrease. University fees will probably be around 9500 a year and I have a feeling they will get rid of the NHS bursary soon :/
    I don't see why there would be much discrepancy in competition.
 
 
 
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