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    Yes.

    As I mentioned in a related thread, my sex talk (given by my obsessed, insane, Christian mother who did not want to let me grow up and basically forced me into celibacy for as long as possible by threatening to kick me out if I ever had sex) was so useless and inaccurate that I would have got pregnant or an STD were I to have had sex in my teenage years. In consequence, I would have preferred to have a sexual education class to teach me at least what protection (condoms, etc) is and how it works. Due to the myriad of parents like mine, sexual education should indeed be taught in school for the teenagers' safety.

    I would say that sex education should start sometime between years 8 and 10. Not in elementary school, obviously, but I think a 13-year-old can understand sex. Besides, who cares if people start having sex earlier? It is their choice, not ours.

    Teenagers have sex anyway, so at least they should be certain of the ways they can employ so they do not get unwanted babies and STDs.
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    ****ing hell.

    This is what we've come to. The nanny state controlling every aspect of every child's upbringing, no thought for the wishes of parents.

    Also, considering this site is almost entirely composed of people 14 or over, are you really that stupid that you can't just look up any questions on the internet?

    The majority probably just want more sex ed so it means they miss more lessons and get a laugh with their mates.
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    (Original post by richpanda)
    ****ing hell.

    This is what we've come to. The nanny state controlling every aspect of every child's upbringing, no thought for the wishes of parents.

    Also, considering this site is almost entirely composed of people 14 or over, are you really that stupid that you can't just look up any questions on the internet?

    The majority probably just want more sex ed so it means they miss more lessons and get a laugh with their mates.
    No thought for the wishes of the pupil? It should be up to them, not the parent.
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    (Original post by richpanda)
    ****ing hell.

    This is what we've come to. The nanny state controlling every aspect of every child's upbringing, no thought for the wishes of parents.

    Also, considering this site is almost entirely composed of people 14 or over, are you really that stupid that you can't just look up any questions on the internet?

    The majority probably just want more sex ed so it means they miss more lessons and get a laugh with their mates.
    When the "wishes" of the parents are completlely stupid and unreasonable they should be ignored. You need to think about religious conservative parents who may want to teach their kids absolute rubbish like homosexuality being immoral or ignoring contraception, or otherwise keep them in the dark about important stuff or force a celibate lifestyle on them against their will. Having sex ed in schools means everyone can get taught the correct stuff and has been proven to be effective at reducing things like teenage pregnancy and STDs.

    If sex ed being compulsory is "nanny state" then so is the very existence of our schooling system and the national curriculum.
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    (Original post by _gcx)
    No thought for the wishes of the pupil? It should be up to them, not the parent.
    The pupil being talked about in this case is a pupil under 16 years of age and most likely under 14 years of age so it is the parent who is legally, and socially, responsible so of course the parents should decide. In accordance with the law parents are responsible for the education of their children therefore they have a say. Also parents are adults; they are much more mature and have greater life experience and therefore know better than the child what is beneficial for him or her.


    (Original post by Airmed)
    I understand that, yes, I went to Catholic school, but it's the 21st century, for crying out loud! It's fine if they want to teach no sex before marriage, that is the Catholic line of teaching, but they should also respect that no sex before marriage does not always happen and so they should include other teachings as well (contraception etc).

    /rant
    It's a faith school and it will teach in accordance with the beliefs of the Church. The basis of those beliefs regarding sexuality and intimacy will remain the same in the 20th century, 21st century, 22nd century and so on. The Church is realistic and knows that pre-marital sex happens and provide a lot of support for those affected by it. However, they will not be catalysts in the spreading of what they believe to be immoral by educating children about it (ie. condoms, contraception pills etc.)

    (Original post by Connor27)
    It's important to respect the freedom of religion, faith schools shouldn't be forced to teach subject matter that is potentially inflammatory in their belief system.

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    Now, obviously I realise the importance of sex Ed as much as the next man, but we can't make it compulsory and impinge on freedom of religion, which is a human right, if we start doing that it's a slippery slope, which human rights are absolute and which ones aren't?
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    (Original post by RF_PineMarten)
    When the "wishes" of the parents are completlely stupid and unreasonable they should be ignored. You need to think about religious conservative parents who may want to teach their kids absolute rubbish like homosexuality being immoral or ignoring contraception,
    They're completely stupid and unreasonable in your opinion. You make it sound like children of "religious conservative parents" are victims. Have you thought they they maybe share the beliefs of their parents? They educate themselves about it and agree? And that they themselves would object to being forced to attend sex ed that preaches things they consider immoral? Of course this applies to older kids who are mature enough to do that. 8 and 9 year old probably wouldn't.s

    There is religious freedom to consider as well. When the state dictates what morality parents should impart onto their children that is crossing a line.
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    I don't see what is wrong is learning about education of sex ed?
    In poorer countries people say "oh due to the lack of education they spread of sexually transmitted ...."


    Well ok teach the people on you own turf before preaching anywhere else.
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    Teen pregnancy rate is shocking, no idea if this is due to our liberal society or if people aren't educated enough. I would support greater education, but at the risk of getting hell thrown on me by Airmed I think a more traditional education would be beneficial to those who are a bit dim in the head and need to be told 'Not a great idea' to discourage them instead of the truth.
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    (Original post by DinaDog)
    It's a faith school and it will teach in accordance with the beliefs of the Church. The basis of those beliefs regarding sexuality and intimacy will remain the same in the 20th century, 21st century, 22nd century and so on. The Church is realistic and knows that pre-marital sex happens and provide a lot of support for those affected by it. However, they will not be catalysts in the spreading of what they believe to be immoral by educating children about it (ie. condoms, contraception pills etc.)
    Faith school, yes. Realistic? Absolutely not. It was as if they really thought everyone in my year were virgins and there were no pregnancy scares. We were even taught 'no sex before marriage' in the academic subject of science, and my school was specialist science school. I just find it funny, really.

    (Original post by DonaldTrump12)
    Teen pregnancy rate is shocking, no idea if this is due to our liberal society or if people aren't educated enough. I would support greater education, but at the risk of getting hell thrown on me by Airmed I think a more traditional education would be beneficial to those who are a bit dim in the head and need to be told 'Not a great idea' to discourage them instead of the truth.
    Perhaps, but dim people? In one ear and out the other, maybe? :lol:
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    When do we need trig or algebra? Rarely, but we need sex and definitely use it unlike trig so yes
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    (Original post by Airmed)
    Perhaps, but dim people? In one ear and out the other, maybe? :lol:
    What do you do about these people?

    On the one hand, ignoring the subject clearly doesn't work as they do it anyway, or get manipulated into it.

    On the other hand, they can't be educated even if you tried! And showing them stuff will probably lead to 'oh that looks fun'.

    So wtf do you do???
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    (Original post by DonaldTrump12)
    What do you do about these people?

    On the one hand, ignoring the subject clearly doesn't work as they do it anyway, or get manipulated into it.

    On the other hand, they can't be educated even if you tried! And showing them stuff will probably lead to 'oh that looks fun'.

    So wtf do you do???
    Educate, do your best, but ultimately don't feel guilty if they **** up. It's not your fault if you teach them well and they refuse to listen.

    Well, that's what I think anyway. :lol:
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    (Original post by Len Goodman)
    Good. There is no need for sex education at schools. If young children are forced to learn about sex, then it is more likely that they will start having sex earlier.
    They will learn about it anyway. Isn't it better that they learn it from teachers rather than from their buddies or crushes or from the internet, or from weirdoes over the internet?
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    It shouldn't even be up for debate. Of course it should.

    There are two ridiculous notions that have to be dispelled:

    1. Sex education increases the likelihood of teenagers having sex
    Teenagers spend the most time on the internet and are therefore most exposed to pornography. Do people really think that a PowerPoint about male and female genitalia will contribute to teenagers having sex more than the contents of the Web?

    2. Children and teenagers can learn about sex from the internet/each other
    Learning about sex, its possible risks and the development of their own bodies is clearly best delivered through the Googling of 'sex'. /s
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    Children should be efficiently educated about sex and relationships from a young age. Teens are going to have sex, and they're going to experiment. The media (and often porn) isn't exactly the best source of information, and when considering LGBT+ kids, there's limited information that you have to look for specifically.
    All teenagers should be informed of different kinds of STI protection (condoms and dams), birth control (and its other uses and side-effects), what freely-given, informed consent looks like, where to go for help, what's involved in an STI test, etc. Children should be informed about consent, how to get help if someone's hurting them, how their bodies change as they get older, etc., etc. A generation of better informed individuals can only be a good thing.
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    It should be compulsory in school so you can make your own mind up about what boundaries you'd want when you decide to have sex. I found out about sex when I was 12 and looking back, I'm glad we got taught it.
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    (Original post by Airmed)
    I think sex education should be compulsory. I went to a Catholic grammar and for all of my 7 years there, we were taught that abstaining from sex was right, sex before marriage was wrong. In fact, in none of the 'sex ed' classes I received was there a mention of contraception like the pill, condoms etc. We weren't even taught how to use condoms, and were told that being gay was wrong.

    I understand that, yes, I went to Catholic school, but it's the 21st century, for crying out loud! It's fine if they want to teach no sex before marriage, that is the Catholic line of teaching, but they should also respect that no sex before marriage does not always happen and so they should include other teachings as well (contraception etc).

    /rant
    Reading stuff like that makes my blood boil. Irresponsible, unethical, dangerous behaviour from people charged with educating children, for Christ's sake.
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    (Original post by Dr Pesto)
    Reading stuff like that makes my blood boil. Irresponsible, unethical, dangerous behaviour from people charged with educating children, for Christ's sake.
    At the end of the day, all my school cared about was me getting my 13 GCSEs and my 3 A Levels. :rolleyes: It was ridiculous though, yeah.
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    (Original post by Airmed)
    At the end of the day, all my school cared about was me getting my 13 GCSEs and my 3 A Levels. :rolleyes: It was ridiculous though, yeah.
    All my school cared about was securing funding by being 'the best school in the county' based on results. They forgot to mention the part where they put low achieving students on BTECs and basically condemned anyone they didn't believe would pass by lying to them about their equality with GCSEs (worse, some students were made to believe they were better, when it was obvious my school just wanted to fiddle with the stats)
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    (Original post by DonaldTrump12)
    All my school cared about was securing funding by being 'the best school in the county' based on results. They forgot to mention the part where they put low achieving students on BTECs and basically condemned anyone they didn't believe would pass by lying to them about their equality with GCSEs (worse, some students were made to believe they were better, when it was obvious my school just wanted to fiddle with the stats)
    I went to a selective school, so we were all considered to be 'good'. No BTECs offered at all except one at GCSE level, which was taken at the local technical college. It was just pure academics, really.
 
 
 
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