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    Trump is extremely unpopular. For example, here is the last four presidents approval ratings at the end of the transition;

    Obama, 2009 84%
    Clinton, 1992 67%
    Bush, 2001 61%
    Trump, now 40%

    Almost all president have had some kind of honeymoon, and to some degree Americans are willing to give new presidents the benefit of the doubt even if they didn't vote for him. Once the election is over, the middle ground and moderates of the opposite party usually say, "Okay, the decision is now made and we want to see the new president succeed".

    Trump has none of that popular support, he has no political capital whatsoever. And now he's said he's never going to release his tax returns. His Minister of Propaganda, Kellyanne Goebbels.. I mean Conway.. has said that the desire to see his tax return is some hard left conspiracy, that it's completely marginal and no-one cares. In fact, 74% of Americans want to see it including 49% of his own supporters!

    The American people are now going to see an alt-right government. There will be no "frog in the slowly boiling water", Trump has decided to be completely authoritarian from day 1, and he's going to find out how constrained the American president is in reality.

    Thus far, he and his team's strategy seems to be solely to attack the media. But that only plays well with his brainless supporters. That's playing to the crowd, he's basically still in campaign mode (he'll probably always be in campaign mode.. he doesn't know how to rise above it because he's a piece of ****, literally he's a terrible person and he thinks everyone else is as nasty, selfish and shallow as he is).

    In short, the victimhood strategy of "Wahhh, the left and the media are being unfwair to us" isn't going to work. Trump and the right will be discredited for years.
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    WTF is Clinton doing there?
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    Clearly alternative facts make Trump the most popular president of all time.

    (Original post by CyclePath)
    WTF is Clinton doing there?
    His name was Bill. He enjoyed the company of a young woman in the oval office.
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    Stop trying to stir something. Black people love Trump more than the media would like to show. And much more Latino's love Trump too. Not to mention the women who got out and VOTED.
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    (Original post by CyclePath)
    WTF is Clinton doing there?
    It's Bill Clinton. :lol:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton

    Didn't you know Hillary's husband Bill was president from 1993-2001? (and an excellent president too)
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    (Original post by LisaNikita)
    Stop trying to stir something. Black people love Trump more than the media would like to show. And much more Latino's love Trump too. Not to mention the women who got out and VOTED.
    What on earth are you babbling about? None of what you said has anything to do with my OP
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    Ok fine, we get that you don't like Trump but saying that he's a "piece of ****" makes you seem a bit agitated, doesn't it?
    Either way, he's in power now, let's give him our support and hope for the best.
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      (Original post by AlexanderHam)
      What on earth are you babbling about? None of what you said has anything to do with my OP
      I'll have you know that I have a friend who knows a black guy, and that black guy supports Trump.

      Apparently, that invalidates your OP. RIP dude.
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      (Original post by AlexanderHam)
      It's Bill Clinton. :lol:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton

      Didn't you know Hillary's husband Bill was president from 1993-2001? (and an excellent president too)
      Of course it was, :lol:

      Forgive me, I'm quite tired
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      (Original post by AlexanderHam)
      What on earth are you babbling about? None of what you said has anything to do with my OP
      I agree Trump will be an awful President and it makes very glad to not be American. He won't last more than 4 years and I suspect the next President will almost definitely be Liberal because of the bad image he will give the right.
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      (Original post by AlexanderHam)
      What on earth are you babbling about? None of what you said has anything to do with my OP
      Dismiss it because it isn't what you wanted to hear. How does being unpopular make him any less capable of doing the job the socialists have piled up and neglected for DECADES.
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      (Original post by AlexanderHam)
      Trump has decided to be completely authoritarian from day 1
      What did he do on day 1?
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      (Original post by LisaNikita)
      Dismiss it because it isn't what you wanted to hear.
      I dismissed it because your anecdotal story about some black person liking Trump has zero relevance to the discussion.

      How does being unpopular make him any less capable of doing the job
      First, he and his propagandists are constantly claiming that he is "tremendously" popular and that he speaks for the people. In fact, he lost the popular vote and he is tremendously unpopular. The most unpopular incoming president since Jimmy Carter. This is relevant to point out that he does not enjoy the massive popular mandate he claims.

      Second, all politicians know that in order to get things done, you need political capital. It's not enough to have the formal and legal means to implement your policy; if your policy is overwhelmingly unpopular (for example, Thatcher's poll tax) then you will find it difficult to implement. You will continually run into obstacles, you will constantly spend your time putting out political fires and expending energy persuading people when you should be expending energy on policy development and implementation.

      For those two reasons, his massive unpopularity is quite relevant.

      the socialists have piled up and neglected for DECADES.
      You're obviously completely clueless about what the word 'socialism' means. You probably think anyone to the left of Genghis Khan is a communist.

      The reality is if you think the US Democratic Party or President Obama could be labelled socialist, then you don't have even the most basic understanding of political and ideological terms.

      Why don't you go and do some basic research on words like socialist, capitalist, social democrat, free market, mixed economy, etc and then come back to us? That way you won't embarrass yourself quite so much
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      (Original post by AlexanderHam)
      Trump is extremely unpopular. For example, here is the last four presidents approval ratings at the end of the transition;

      Obama, 2009 84%
      Clinton, 1992 67%
      Bush, 2001 61%
      Trump, now 40%

      Almost all president have had some kind of honeymoon, and to some degree Americans are willing to give new presidents the benefit of the doubt even if they didn't vote for him. Once the election is over, the middle ground and moderates of the opposite party usually say, "Okay, the decision is now made and we want to see the new president succeed".

      Trump has none of that popular support, he has no political capital whatsoever. And now he's said he's never going to release his tax returns. His Minister of Propaganda, Kellyanne Goebbels.. I mean Conway.. has said that the desire to see his tax return is some hard left conspiracy, that it's completely marginal and no-one cares. In fact, 74% of Americans want to see it including 49% of his own supporters!

      The American people are now going to see an alt-right government. There will be no "frog in the slowly boiling water", Trump has decided to be completely authoritarian from day 1, and he's going to find out how constrained the American president is in reality.

      Thus far, he and his team's strategy seems to be solely to attack the media. But that only plays well with his brainless supporters. That's playing to the crowd, he's basically still in campaign mode (he'll probably always be in campaign mode.. he doesn't know how to rise above it because he's a piece of ****, literally he's a terrible person and he thinks everyone else is as nasty, selfish and shallow as he is).

      In short, the victimhood strategy of "Wahhh, the left and the media are being unfwair to us" isn't going to work. Trump and the right will be discredited for years.
      Where exactly did you acquire the stats in the above?

      Obviously those living in the same bubble as yourself will not want to know your sources, those outside the bubble however,will.
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      (Original post by Eob274)
      I agree Trump will be an awful President and it makes very glad to not be American. He won't last more than 4 years and I suspect the next President will almost definitely be Liberal because of the bad image he will give the right.
      If he steps down the next President would be Pence.
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      (Original post by AlexanderHam)
      I dismissed it because your anecdotal story about some black person liking Trump has zero relevance to the discussion.



      First, he and his propagandists are constantly claiming that he is "tremendously" popular and that he speaks for the people. In fact, he lost the popular vote and he is tremendously unpopular. The most unpopular incoming president since Jimmy Carter. This is relevant to point out that he does not enjoy the massive popular mandate he claims.

      Second, all politicians know that in order to get things done, you need political capital. It's not enough to have the formal and legal means to implement your policy; if your policy is overwhelmingly unpopular (for example, Thatcher's poll tax) then you will find it difficult to implement. You will continually run into obstacles, you will constantly spend your time putting out political fires and expending energy persuading people when you should be expending energy on policy development and implementation.

      For those two reasons, his massive unpopularity is quite relevant.



      You're obviously completely clueless about what the word 'socialism' means. You probably think anyone to the left of Genghis Khan is a communist.

      The reality is if you think the US Democratic Party or President Obama could be labelled socialist, then you don't have even the most basic understanding of political and ideological terms.

      Why don't you go and do some basic research on words like socialist, capitalist, social democrat, free market, mixed economy, etc and then come back to us? That way you won't embarrass yourself quite so much
      I quite clearly know what socialists are. And as my profile says I am a right-wing conservative. If I was embarrassing myself I wouldn't have gained a rep or two would I?
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      Trump is not a nice guy and we need less of those in this world
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      (Original post by Willy Pete)
      If he steps down the next President would be Pence.
      I was referring to the next election which would be in 4 years.
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      Trump won't care, he has four years in office as long as he doesn't do something which exposes him to being impeached, his ratings don't really matter. He has enough of a hardcore of enthusiasts at the moment. And also Trump probably feels very confident at being a man that can beat the odds, everybody ridiculed his idea of winning the Republican nomination and even more so of winning the Presidency, but he did it, so he will fancy his chances.

      The more pressing problems for Trump will be dealing with Congress as it is they who will pose the biggest potential constraint on his powers, as Obama found to his cost. Whilst he is a Republican, he is not "one of them", and he will find that of the many groups of "elites" that he rails against, the mainstream Republican party is a group of elites that are likely to resent the fact he got the nomination ahead of any of their guys, and whilst they will agree with him on things like gun rights, tax cuts, getting rid of social and environmental regulation and safeguard regulation in financial services, they will find some of his ideas alien to them. After voting through his tax cuts they won't want to give him all the money he wants for infrastructure spending, and his CEO background means he will not be used to saying "I want money for project X" and have a committee tell him "sorry, you will have to find 'efficiency savings' from somewhere else to finance that".

      His other potential point of divorce from some Republicans in Congress will be that his view of "America first", ie retreating from global engagement and pursuing a trade and foreign policy that is protectionist/isolationist, will clash with their view of "American influence first", ie trying to make sure the world is as much as possible influenced by and dependent on America. They are willing to spend money on this, especially in defence, because they feel it buys them a favourable world environment in which the dominant global ideas are American rather than Russian or Chinese. American trade policy had been trying to get most of the world locked down in three big trade blocs, NAFTA, TTIP and TPP to make sure the prevailing rules of world trade were ones decided by American corporate interests. With Trump retreating from military alliances, trade deals and potentially starting a trade war with China, plus the fact he is being critical of the US intelligence services, they will see him as a dangerous maverick who doesn't know what he's doing and needs reining in before he damages America.

      When Trump clashes with Congress it will be ugly. He will resent the amount of power they have over him, and will fear being made to look weak to his supporters so will be going on Twitter ****ging off Paul Ryan and so on, which will just entrench the Republicans against him. He might have the public behind him at first and will be able to paint Congress as the villains but if things start to go wrong and he and Congress are constantly fighting, it will really damage the Republicans in the longer term.
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      (Original post by LisaNikita)
      I quite clearly know what socialists are. And as my profile says I am a right-wing conservative. If I was embarrassing myself I wouldn't have gained a rep or two would I?
      You're using rep as an argument? Really?

      And you want to be taken seriously?


      Try again.
     
     
     
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