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    (Original post by LordJesus)
    That's my point though. Even if a ladder doesn't work, a tunnel is equally as good. Also you don't see anyone climbing fences so the effect of a wall is futile; the type of people who praise it are irrational beings.
    How is it equally as good when it takes months to dig a multi-km tunnel and a ladder just takes a few minutes?

    What do you mean you don't see anyone climbing fences? Do you lack "social awareness"?

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    (Original post by LordJesus)
    Machine guns are expensive for starters. You won't ever get in a situation to gun down people, what do you think the wall is for? I'm now seeing why you ended up dropping out of the uni for farming.
    Hardly expensive for the nation which spends more than any other on their defence budget.

    The wall is for keeping the Mexicans off US soil, the guns are to stop them getting close to the Wall to damage it.
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    (Original post by LordJesus)
    What makes you think the wall isnt climbable, thats my point. There will be equal numbers of people trying to pass the border, and equal success rates. You're being idealistic by thinking it's going to be so high, like this is the vatican.
    Because it will be solid with no gaps.
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    (Original post by LordJesus)
    Do you know what the cost of the wall is? Go find out the estimated costs. The defence budget goes to their military.

    You don't kill people because they damage a wall. That's a violation of human rights. Please stick to driving tractors.
    The cost is irrelevant, just think how cool that Wall would be. And the US could focus on Wall building instead of going abroad and fighting in places they don't belong.

    Damaging The Wall could be seen as terrorism, terrorists get shot.
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    (Original post by LordJesus)
    Are you deliberately being stupid or...?

    No it is not terrorism. Maybe jail time, but not murder. If you want to go to stupid extremes, it can be seen as an act of war since you are killing citizens from another country on their soil.
    Don't just posts insults without arguing back. If you have no point to make then don't reply.
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    Wait... the wall is a real thing ... I thought it was like ... a metaphor or something ...
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    (Original post by Metal Gear)
    Why? Lost all respect for him after he endorsed Shillary while knowing she rigged it against him.

    As a consolation Bernie bought himself a $600K lake side holiday home.

    Call me sentimental, but nothing says socialist hero of the people like a $600K holiday home!
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    (Original post by LordJesus)
    Are you deliberately being stupid or...?

    No it is not terrorism. Maybe jail time, but not murder. If you want to go to stupid extremes, it can be seen as an act of war since you are killing citizens from another country on their soil.
    That's why you build the wall just back from the border, so anyone you shoot would already be an illegal immigrant and a terrorist, its a win win situation. Also you wouldn't build it right on the border because you would have to be in Mexico to build parts of it.

    It's not murder, it is self defence and the preservation of the US.
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    (Original post by LordJesus)
    Are you deliberately being stupid or...?

    No it is not terrorism. Maybe jail time, but not murder. If you want to go to stupid extremes, it can be seen as an act of war since you are killing citizens from another country on their soil.
    Personally I believe shooting illegals a tad extreme....

    Build the wall 50m inside the US border, anyone closer than 50m to the wall is inside US territory,illegally........

    Ba Da Bing,Ba Da Bong.
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    (Original post by LordJesus)
    I clearly do have a point you cretin
    Which I proved wrong twice and you change it to something else :lol: Anything else?
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    (Original post by LordJesus)
    Again, by definition they're not terrorists. No country kills illegal immigrants.

    Self defence implies that they are a threat to american citizens which is not true.
    They are terrorists if they attack The Wall.

    Don't come near The Wall and there won't be any issues, it shouldn't be that hard to understand.
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    (Original post by LordJesus)
    Wrong.
    So it is hard to understand?
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    (Original post by LordJesus)
    You said the wall is too high to climb. We don't know that. The existence of tunnels mean building a wall is futile. You are yet to refute this, you just sidetracked when I admittedly made one inaccurate point.
    Who said we don't know that? It is estimated to be around 55 feet, even if it is a bit shorter that will still be twice as tall as the current fence. Also it will be solid so you can't just climb it like a pipe.

    If it's futile why are you so angry about it? :lol: It will be much more effective than the current fence.
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    The wall could be higher than Meryl Streep's high horse and it still wouldn't succeed. What a monumental waste of resources.

    (Original post by Willy Pete)
    They are terrorists if they attack The Wall.

    No, mate. They are called Titans.
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    (Original post by LordJesus)
    No, you're wrong. You're not a terrorist for attacking a wall, go look up the definition of terrorist. You're a vandal and a criminal and can be locked up, but not a terrorist. The only reason for killing them is if they were trying to kill anyone. That would be an act of self defence. Even then, by definition, they're not terrorists.
    Nope, still a terrorist for attacking the US.
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    (Original post by LordJesus)
    No, you're wrong. You're not a terrorist for attacking a wall, go look up the definition of terrorist. You're a vandal and a criminal and can be locked up, but not a terrorist. The only reason for killing them is if they were trying to kill anyone. That would be an act of self defence. Even then, by definition, they're not terrorists.



    No it's shorter than that. And you're still refusing to refute my point on tunnels.

    I'm angry because a) it's a complete waste of money and b) it's based on lies and misinformation.

    http://www.nationalmemo.com/an-engin...o-implausible/
    I have already refuted the tunnel comment twice by saying it takes months to dig.

    It costs the same as 2 weeks of US military budget. There are no lies about it.

    Wrong again. Sad!
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    I can understand preferring him to Clinton, but are seriously rooting for a second term before you even know who will be standing in 2020? :erm:
    2020 could easily go Trump, incumbency, and a weak Democratic party.

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    (Original post by Metal Gear)
    I have already refuted the tunnel comment twice by saying it takes months to dig.

    It costs the same as 2 weeks of US military budget. There are no lies about it.

    Wrong again. Sad!
    I hate to break it to you... But the tunnels are already there in the thousands. Ranging from short to very long.

    And more are discovered every year. (150 since 1990)

    Once you come to grips with how many tonnes of cocaine floods the US every year, you will realise that the Mexico-US border may as well be a Schengen zone. Bulk of that is entirely taking place through tunnels which are already repurposed into illegal immigration entry points.

    No wall solves this issue. It takes really nothing to build tunnels. The most militarised zone in the world (Gaza-Israel) had countless tunnels in between them. The US does not have even close to that concentrated manpower to look after their wall or their border.

    Only a natural border like a narrow mountain pass or the sea can be an effective (semi)barrier against illegal immigration.
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    How does it benefit Mexico?
    The illegal drug trade has turned a lot of Mexican border towns into battlegrounds. Literally. Gun battles involving dozens on each side are nightly occurrences. Their gun deaths make ours look insignificant. Gun battles between rival drug gangs and with Federal troops take massive civilian casualties. If the wall can slow the flow of drugs it might lessen the value of these border towns as crossing points to the U.S.. The gangs wouldn't need to control them and this would reduce the level of violence majorly.
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    (Original post by joe cooley)
    As a consolation Bernie bought himself a $600K lake side holiday home.

    Call me sentimental, but nothing says socialist hero of the people like a $600K holiday home!
    It's funny that you seem to think socialism has a problem with being wealthy.

    More importantly, Bernie lives in a very evidently capitalist country as well.

    The argument that 'socialists can't be wealthy hahaH!!H!h1h1!!u hypcortiez11!!" is so overdone and stupid.

    But I agree with whoever said he shouldn't have backed Hilary, what a bad move.
 
 
 
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