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  • View Poll Results: Should the working class get paid less than those from higher class backgrounds?
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    Only if their education/experience is inferior
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    (Original post by cambio wechsel)
    The thread header and the poll, both suggesting that this might by a matter of taste, are preposterous. You'd think it was near impossible to ****-up only retreading a BBC article but it would seem not.
    This is another reason why the thread is so bad, the title implies that your boss finds out whether or not you attend your local country club and pays you accordingly.
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    For a start, this study is about self-reported earnings, not pay. It does not mean that working class people get paid less for the same work, for example.

    Second, they use very broad social classification criteria for the jobs (seven in total I think), and very broad educational classifications, namely highest degree achieved and class of degree. The assumption is that all universities are equal, all degrees are equal, and all 2.1s are equal (poor assumptions I think). Someone with a 2.1 from Cambridge would score lower than someone with a 1st from London Met.

    Third, the job categories are broad too. Not all scientists or accountants are comparable in the jobs but this is lost in the crude categorisations.

    Fourth, you also have to consider generation effects. Go back a generation or two and many fewer working class people went to uni or entered top jobs like finance and medicine. The people who are now earn the most in those fields are the older ones, who are therefore more likely to be posh.

    I suspect this analysis just doesn't have the resolution to really control for everything that it needs to.
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    (Original post by Len Goodman)
    I don't see what the problem is. The working class are, on the whole, less intelligent and therefore are more likely to end up in lower paying jobs.

    This is exactly why all this socialist equality tripe makes no sense. Why should a supermarket shelf stacker be worth the same as a doctor? Supermarket workers are a dime a dozen and can be replaced at the drop of a hat, whereas doctors have years of education and specialist training, and actually contribute something to society.
    So your telling me the reason why the middle class are in the middle because of they lack the intellect of the upper class?

    :lol::rofl:

    Good one.
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    Here's some selected key findings from section 4

    Key findings

    Traditional professions such as medicine, law, journalism, academia and management consultancy remain dominated by the privileged

    In technical professions such as engineering and IT as well as many public sector professions the majority do not come from professional backgrounds
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    OK on the second point... STEM master race FTW :yep::rolleyes: #nosurprise

    but on the first point... who decides what's 'traditional'?
    I'd say fair enough for medicine and law (even though for most of it's history medicine was about parroting Galen's incorrect theories, being liberal with the leeches and killing off your patients because you were too posh to wash your hands) but is management consultancy really more traditional than engineering?
    TBH I think they might have fallen into a trap of defining traditional in a somewhat circular manner so jobs X,Y and Z pay well because they're 'traditional' and they're traditional because they're well paid.
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    oh full report is here
    https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...rklessness.pdf
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    (Original post by Len Goodman)
    I don't see what the problem is. The working class are, on the whole, less intelligent and therefore are more likely to end up in lower paying jobs.

    This is exactly why all this socialist equality tripe makes no sense. Why should a supermarket shelf stacker be worth the same as a doctor? Supermarket workers are a dime a dozen and can be replaced at the drop of a hat, whereas doctors have years of education and specialist training, and actually contribute something to society.
    I'm working class and I'm sure I'm a heck of a lot smarter than you are.
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    (Original post by Pigster)
    in the same jobs - but get paid differently.
    The article never said they were in the same jobs. It is based on averages rather than actual comparatives.
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    (Original post by Len Goodman)
    The working class are, on the whole, less intelligent and therefore are more likely to end up in lower paying jobs.
    ^How to do Circular Reasoning: Lesson 1.
 
 
 
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