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Which is better university, De Monfort or Leicester?

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Reply 20
lottie12
I don't think people are trying to upset you, or get at you emznotts.

Having a first in a degree should mean the same no matter which university you go too. However the sad fact is, it doesn't. People judge you on what university you went to. It's what people do.. you can't change that.

I once read an article in the Guardian or Independant (I can't remember which now). However, it said that some employers nowadays would rather have someone from Oxford with a 2:2 than someone from an old Poly with a 1:1 in the same degree!!

It's extremely pooey, but it's the truth. The university of Leicester is i'm afraid seen as one of the 'better' universities.



people are saying on here that a first degree at one uni is the same as another. But actually every uni sets it's own papers, and marks it's own papers, so every degree is different. An oxford degree is way harder to do than say................. a Southampton one, or any other uni actually. So which uni you go to is very important, unlike A levels there isn't an independent board which marks papers.
Leicester is a better reputable university, and people will be coming out with better degrees, but thats not to say that the people in leicester are better people than the people in DMU!!! (and i'm a leicester student!!!)
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Reply 21
well i dont really care because at the end of the day DMU suits my personality and its right for me. plus im not the brain of britian so its fine. i just cant stand people who think there better than everone just because they've got A's and B's at A levels and are now going to some excellent univerisity. i am not selling my self short im doing what is right for me
Reply 22
emznotts
well i dont really care because at the end of the day DMU suits my personality and its right for me. plus im not the brain of britian so its fine. i just cant stand people who think there better than everone just because they've got A's and B's at A levels and are now going to some excellent univerisity. i am not selling my self short im doing what is right for me


And that's what its all about, good on you :smile:

I really dislike the whole 'x university is better than y university' crap, at the end of the day you go to the place you think suits you best.
carpboy
people are saying on here that a first degree at one uni is the same as another. But actually every uni sets it's own papers, and marks it's own papers, so every degree is different. An oxford degree is way harder to do than say................. a Southampton one, or any other uni actually. So which uni you go to is very important, unlike A levels there isn't an independent board which marks papers.
Leicester is a better reputable university, and people will be coming out with better degrees, but thats not to say that the people in leicester are better people than the people in DMU!!! (and i'm a leicester student!!!)


External examination - heard of it? Guess not. As you don't know about degree level assessment procedures I think it is highly questionable that you really know anything about relative standards between institutions. Don't guess and pretend that it is fact. It's a shame you don't even know how your degree is assessed.
Reply 24
ChemistBoy
External examination - heard of it? Guess not. As you don't know about degree level assessment procedures I think it is highly questionable that you really know anything about relative standards between institutions. Don't guess and pretend that it is fact. It's a shame you don't even know how your degree is assessed.


To be fair I don't think Carpboy has started his degree yet, but Chemistboy, as usual, is spot on.
ChemistBoy
External examination - heard of it? Guess not. As you don't know about degree level assessment procedures I think it is highly questionable that you really know anything about relative standards between institutions. Don't guess and pretend that it is fact. It's a shame you don't even know how your degree is assessed.


So does everyone take the same papers? Or are all university exams marked outside of the uni? How DOES it work? :confused: I'm ashamed to say I don't know either, but it would be pretty interesting to find out :smile:
Reply 26
sweetfloss
So does everyone take the same papers? Or are all university exams marked outside of the uni? How DOES it work? :confused: I'm ashamed to say I don't know either, but it would be pretty interesting to find out :smile:


Don't worry, most people wouldn't know how it works until they start, and even then some don't. Basically external examination is a system whereby all assessed work is remarked anonymously by an external examiner from another university, now they could be from any university from Cambridge to Luton, but the idea behind it is to make sure that the standard of assessment at one university does not differ significantly from another, whether it works in practise is another issue.
Reply 27
ChemistBoy
External examination - heard of it? Guess not. As you don't know about degree level assessment procedures I think it is highly questionable that you really know anything about relative standards between institutions. Don't guess and pretend that it is fact. It's a shame you don't even know how your degree is assessed.


Yeh ok i put my hands up to that one, i was wrong, and yeh i haven't started my degree yet. But my point is, is that universities set their own papers, so doesn't that make papers easier or harder than others??? Meaning that an oxford/cambridge paper will be harder than others???

So basically a law exam in leicester will be harder than a law exam in DMU,

Am i right?? or just showing my inexperience???

And thanks for the lovely reply chemistboy i appreciate it
Reply 28
ermm...DMU have been known to reduce the grade boundaries in some subjects so that more people pass...
Reply 29
alex150103
ermm...DMU have been known to reduce the grade boundaries in some subjects so that more people pass...


good point, another reason why some university exams are harder than others:smile:
Reply 31
"i got kicked out of school at 15 and ive had to work my ass off as colllege to achieve my gcse's and A levels which im very proud of because most people in my position had babies and claim job seekers allowance."

Now I don't mean to sound too harsh here, but you can't place your own (bad) decisions in life and expect that as a justification in the context of this discussion - we are all in control of our own actions. And besides, its irrelevant to what you were trying to prove?

As someone else touched upon, the sad fact of the day is that reputation does matter to a certain extent. Its crazy to equate a degree from say York or Nottingham to one from Thames Valley University. The same is so from Leicester University and DMU. Sorry.
carpboy
Yeh ok i put my hands up to that one, i was wrong, and yeh i haven't started my degree yet. But my point is, is that universities set their own papers, so doesn't that make papers easier or harder than others??? Meaning that an oxford/cambridge paper will be harder than others???

So basically a law exam in leicester will be harder than a law exam in DMU,

Am i right?? or just showing my inexperience???

And thanks for the lovely reply chemistboy i appreciate it


Yes the exams are set by universities, but that doesn't make them easier than others precisely because of the external examination system and ( especially in subjects like law) the beady eyes of professional bodies ensuring standards are maintained. External examiners do make sure academic standards are rigorously enforced and oxbridge academics do take part in assessments of all types of university (for example I know that recently a cambridge academic assessed a course at Nottingham Trent and gave it high praise).

Remember that it is the lecturers that set the questions, and whilst the students at certain universities have a lower academic caliber that does not mean the academic staff do, many have received an oxbridge or equally high level education, many have PhDs and conduct active research. If you look at the correlation between entry standards and final degree results one sees a strong correlation that really does provide weight to the argument that standards are far more consistent than some people would believe. However, many people may find the oxford system more difficult because of the short, intense term times and the teaching methods employed at the university, but, equally, some people may thrive on that kind of atmosphere compared to the more hands-off style of most other universities.

The reason why I get so angry when people suggest that certain universities set much easier examinations than others is because it is a direct slur on the academic integrity of my colleagues in my and other universities. Having taught in both a top flight and ex-poly university I can honestly say that I saw little difference in assessment standards, but a large difference in the average caliber of the student.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4925954.stm

Surely this shows that the external examination system works? When poor decisions are made regarding assessment they are picked up and dealt with. If there was an endemic culture of varying standards in HE then this thing would be going on unreported, wouldn't it? No-one in the sector would care that DMU staff had made such a decision, would they? N.B. I must also point out that this was about moderation of exam marks after sitting, not the fact that exams were any easier. The external examination system cannot stop university departments from making bad decisions (just as A-level examining boards cannot stop teachers from making bad decisions), but they can pick those bad practices up and force changes that eliminate them.

BBC

In 2005 the Royal Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain placed De Montfort "on probation" after investigating allegations of "marking irregularities".


It returned to the university this year, finding "substantial progress" and that "assessment procedures were appropriate".


Examiners were now "in no doubt standards were being maintained and were comparable to those elsewhere in the sector", the society said.


The last sentence is quite important there.
Reply 33
Good post CB.
Reply 34
obviously its leicester university....
Reply 35
beazzz
"i got kicked out of school at 15 and ive had to work my ass off as colllege to achieve my gcse's and A levels which im very proud of because most people in my position had babies and claim job seekers allowance."

Now I don't mean to sound too harsh here, but you can't place your own (bad) decisions in life and expect that as a justification in the context of this discussion - we are all in control of our own actions. And besides, its irrelevant to what you were trying to prove?

As someone else touched upon, the sad fact of the day is that reputation does matter to a certain extent. Its crazy to equate a degree from say York or Nottingham to one from Thames Valley University. The same is so from Leicester University and DMU. Sorry.




BAD DECISIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! u stuck up, narrow minded, pathetic person how dare u. you need to keep your opinions to your self dear. i think u need to grow up and stop thinking your superior i actually got kicked out of school because i got bullied and when i fought back i got into trouble. DID UR PARENTS KEEP YOU LOCKED UP FOR THE LAST 18 YEARS, BECAUSE YOUR NOT VERY SOCIALLY AWARE. YOU SEEM TO BE VERY CAUGHT UP IN STATISTICS AND FACTS. GET REAL MATE, THERES A BIG BAD HARSH WORLD OUT THERE AND I THINK U NEED TO EXPERIENCE IT.
You live where i live for 2 months and you wouldnt last m8y. your going to university to be with people for all walks of life i suggest you open your eyes and see that your wrong. your opinions will get you in trouble i can assure you of that darling especially if you come across someone like me. YE LEICS UNI IS PROBABALY BETTER BUT IT DOESNT MEAN THAT DMU ISN'T RIGHT FOR SOME PEOPLE. SO TO BE MAKING COMENTS LIKE YOU HAVE DONE, MAY MAKE PEOPLE FEEL BAD. I SUGGEST YOU GET REAL, IM INTELLIGENT AND I'M EXTREMELY STREETWISE AND IM AWARE OF THINGS THAT GO ON IN THE REAL WORLD SO UNLIKE YOU IM MORE LIKELY TO GET A BETTER PAID JOB IN THE AREA THAT I AM INTERESTED IN AS I UNDERSTAND IT. THE ONLY UNDERSTANDING YOU SEEM TO HAVE OF ANYTHING IS WHATS WRITTEN DOWN IN A BOOK. SO DONT YOU DARE EVER ATTEMPT TO CRITISE ME HUNNI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply 36
Steady now, no need for this to get so heated.
Reply 37
Coooooooooooool....
I think the 'this uni is better than that uni' is a really sad subject, especially when you say people judge you on which uni you went to, yes it's a fact of life but there is more to getting a job than which university you went to. Many employers prefer experience over a degree.

I'm going to DMU but that's not to say I'm any less intelligent than someone going to Leicester, it's purely because only old polytechnics or art and design schools do my course. To be honest I do wish I'd put Northumbria as one of my choices, not because I don't like DMU but I'm not too keen on the city (not the prettiest is it?) and am having second thoughts about moving away from my life here, unfortunately that's not what I was thinking months ago when I was keen to get away from Newcastle!
Reply 39
LOL, talking riddles emznotts

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