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    So, the CIA with a director appointed by Obama decided torture doesn't work.

    No surprise there.

    Obama like every other president, Trump included will put into position people who most reflect their political outlook and opinions.

    Any public official whose job depends on the good will of the country's political leaders will say whatever he believes they want to hear.

    Take it with a pinch of salt.
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    (Original post by joe cooley)
    So, the CIA with a director appointed by Obama decided torture doesn't work.
    just can't argue with Trump logic.
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    (Original post by Palmyra)
    just can't argue with Trump logic.
    Indeed, a lot of you seem sadly lacking in that department.

    Could explain why the left are on the ropes all over the Western world.
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    (Original post by MildredMalone)
    Waterboarding isn't torture.
    Apparently drowning is one of the most unpleasant ways to die so I'm not sure how you can really state that.
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    Terrorists have sacrificed their human rights in my eyes so torture away.
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    (Original post by joe cooley)
    Could explain why the left are on the ropes all over the Western world.
    Trump really isn't all that right wing compared to some in the Republican Party. In fact I'd argue he only really advocated some policies like his anti-abortion stance to appeal to traditional Republican voters.

    This is coming from someone who is right wing at least economically even if I am a bit more liberal on social issues.
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    (Original post by Tempest II)
    Apparently drowning is one of the most unpleasant ways to die so I'm not sure how you can really state that.
    They cant really back it up.
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    (Original post by Tempest II)
    Trump really isn't all that right wing compared to some in the Republican Party. In fact I'd argue he only really advocated some policies like his anti-abortion stance to appeal to traditional Republican voters.

    This is coming from someone who is right wing at least economically even if I am a bit more liberal on social issues.
    I'd tend to agree, Trump certainly is not a traditional rightwinger.

    However, Trump has the left dazed and confused because he simply does not care what the politically correct think of him.

    The PC crowd have held sway (left and so called right!) for so long that they simply can't cope when a target pushes back.
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    (Original post by joe cooley)
    However, Trump has the left dazed and confused because he simply does not care what the politically correct think of him.
    Of course he does. It's just a different political correctness.
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    Terrorists have sacrificed their human rights in my eyes so torture away.
    You mean terrorist suspects who have not necessarily been convicted of anything or even charged with any terrorism offences? Some of whom could be completely innocent?
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    (Original post by Mistletoe)






    So how much would something like this set you back these days? £3000?
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    So how much would something like this set you back these days? £3000?
    dunno, the current one is £50 but includes more
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    It could have its place in cases where it is difficult to obtain a conviction.

    In cases of rape for instance many rapes do not end up with a conviction because it is hard to find evidence that the crime has been committed and so the victim never gets justice. But with techniques like waterboarding of the accused you may be able to find out what really happened and secure more convictions.
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    (Original post by Mistletoe)
    £50
    Ouch.
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    Ouch.
    I bought an e-book from them once, was expecting a normal book, it was about 1/5 of a chapter...they are a bunch of *****, still, it's plastic crack and I'll never grow out of it
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    (Original post by Mistletoe)
    still, it's plastic crack and I'll never grow out of it
    That makes me happy to hear, actually. WH40k was a huge part of my childhood and teen years. I got into it during 2nd edition, back when the standard price for a blister pack was £2 and you could get 5 Space Marines for a fiver. Of course the models weren't nearly as good, but I can't help but worry younger audiences (I was about 8 years old when I started) are being priced out of an amazing hobby.
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    (Original post by Mistletoe)
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    tbf it does work for them. Same they seemed quite rushed in the 40k Soulstorm expansion...glad to see DOW 3 is going back to more traditional RTS with larger battles. (I played a bit of warhammer as a young kid but no 40k, just the pc games)


    I'm of the mind that if a member of ISIS knew something...I wouldn't morally be against torturing them to get it. It's more the fact you could be torturing someone innocent and despite in theory you thinking it's going to draw the truth, anyone will say anything to stop torture obviously. The whole ticking time bomb scenario doesn't even work because if the attack was absolutely imminent, they could just throw you a false bone which you have to investigate..which leads to nothing, in the meantime the attack has occurred.
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    Not only has torture been proven not to work, it actually makes the job of preventing crime more difficult.
    When a person is being tortured they will say anything to make it stop, even though they don't have the information.

    The CIA's investigation pointed to the fact that wrongful information obtained by torture wasted huge amounts of resources and time and ended up giving false information about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction. We all know how that ended up.
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    (Original post by joey11223)
    The whole ticking time bomb scenario doesn't even work because if the attack was absolutely imminent, they could just throw you a false bone which you have to investigate..which leads to nothing, in the meantime the attack has occurred.
    EXACTLY!

    The whole ticking time bomb scenario is not possible in real life. You'd have to be 100% sure an attack was going to happen, 100% sure that the attack was imminent and 100% sure you had the right person who would give you the information you need to prevent the attack.

    As you say, if it is a case of minutes or even hours, surely the person being tortured would just give them a false lead...
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    I'm all for torture myself. We need to make use of every tactic possible to ensure we can get all the information we need out of possible terrorists, and to me torture seems the most effective.

    Plus I don't get all the fuss about waterboarding - come on liberals, a little bit of water over the noggin won't do any harm.
 
 
 
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