Hey there! Sign in to join this conversationNew here? Join for free

Who here voted remain and who leave? Watch

    • Thread Starter
    Offline

    18
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Except investment in our R&D sectors massively benefits our quality of life, as well as our GDP (If I remember the stats correctly, every pound invested once in cardiac research for instance returns something like 35p per year). So the line about it being tax payers money is irrelevant - it's exactly what tax payer money should be spent on.
    In your opinion the point is that people have a right to vote out people if they don't like how they are spending their money with the EU we can't do that.
    Offline

    1
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by PJJ12345)
    Nothing to do with grammar; i didn't correct any of that. I was more taking issue with your unsubstantiated statements and (without being harsh) the lack of sense it all made.

    If you can provide any evidence to back up your points, for example, "the tariffs and quotas of the EU, are all for the benefit of those corporate interests," I would genuinely be interested in what you have to say. The removal of internal quotas and trade barriers has allowed the exchange of goods and services unhindered across borders, benefiting small and large businesses alike.
    I don't think you are thinking about this in a more clear-headed way
    the EU should be removing tariffs with everybody. not just EU member states.
    this is why we're expected to get tariffs after we leave in line with WTO rules. because they are protectionists.
    if the EU removed those tariffs with us in the future, it would benefit small businesses. because the tariffs can be paid for more easily by the larger companies and less so by the smaller less wealthy ones. to add, non-tariff barriers also have this effect. for instance, the compliance with restrictive regulations. larger corps. can afford the means to get play the system and hire people to get around~ the rules when possible. smaller companies will have less money to do this.
    so the EU, as it stands, has a mentality of tariffing non-EU states. why can't it just not tariff everybody?

    This, whether you like it or not, creates wealth and growth across the economy supporting the provision of public services that you and I both benefit from. External tariffs play an important role in protecting EU economies from aggressive competition, for example the "dumping" of steel by China.
    if you knew about basic economics you'd know that free market trade generally favours everybody in the long term. "aggressive competition" makes industries everywhere specialise and adapt to a greater and more necessary extent. if we don't do as good when it comes to steel, let's say, that doesn't necessarily mean that we are doing terribly in every respect. to add, china had to pay a lot of money to subsisise their steel industry to this extent - that's not immaterial. while they invested in steel, we can invest elsewhere. also, the geographical situation means that we can trade with european countries (a bigger market) to a more advantageous extent than china. if you think the brexit is going to stop that factor then, like I said in the previous paragraph, we are only going to be tariffed more now because the EU itself wants to block our trade as a punishment and to set an example to france and denmark (who might also leave soon). they aren't blocking us for their own good - it's a political tactic. the EU's institutional political interests are not the same as the european people's economic interests. so really, they are harming themselves and dividing the continent, expecting all member-states or former member-states to have to politically unify into an inequitable political project for no reason other than power. this project clearly isn't going to last. after the EU project fails (and it is already failing) we will be back to better days of free trade. and remember - likeI should even need to say this - free trade, not protectionism, benefits OUR consumers, even if it doesn't benefit our industries. customers getting better prices abroad means we have more subjective value coming into the country. that is a good thing. if more people are getting what they want, that it an example of success.
    Offline

    17
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Rakas21)
    My view that our economic success or failure was not defined by our EU membership was further affirmed by the treasury, IMF ect.. during the campaign who's own research showed that long run growth is forecast to be little affected.
    Are you kidding?

    Treasury: https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...the_eu_web.pdf - "The central conclusion of the analysis is that the effect of this profound shock would be to push the UK into recession and lead to a sharp rise in unemployment."

    https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...ership_web.pdf - Let me know what you find reassuring in there, won't you.

    IMF

    http://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/...sks-to-Outlook

    Nope, nothing positive there either.

    sovereignty
    Oh, bore off. I know you guys hate experts but try to listen: https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2016/06...rendum-debate/

    I do not regret my vote.
    Colour me surprised. I wonder if you'll regret it when close family and friends become unemployed? Probably not. It'll be due to something else, no doubt...
    • Community Assistant
    Offline

    21
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by MJK91)
    Are you kidding?

    Treasury: https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...the_eu_web.pdf - "The central conclusion of the analysis is that the effect of this profound shock would be to push the UK into recession and lead to a sharp rise in unemployment."

    https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...ership_web.pdf - Let me know what you find reassuring in there, won't you.

    IMF

    http://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/...sks-to-Outlook

    Nope, nothing positive there either.



    Oh, bore off. I know you guys hate experts but try to listen: https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2016/06...rendum-debate/



    Colour me surprised. I wonder if you'll regret it when close family and friends become unemployed? Probably not. It'll be due to something else, no doubt...
    The recession alluded to there was a 1.5% contraction across 2016-2018. That would be the second shallowest recession on record.

    Their own worst case scenario forecasts growth to only be 0.3% lower it would otherwise have been each year from 2018-2030.

    You allowed media hyperbole to cloud your assessment.

    Even on unemployment their forecast was for net unemployment to only rise 300,000 across two years.
    Online

    20
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by CoffeeGeek)
    Your logic is appalling.

    There is a difference between controlling immigration and limiting immigration...
    Of course. And both are xenophobic.

    Your lack of humanism is appalling.
    Offline

    20
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by CoffeeGeek)
    Someone who wants to control the amount of people that come into the country is xenophobic?

    Is this seriously the logic here...
    Obviously. You don't hear cries to deport people, merely cries to reduce the number of immigrants. The difference? They are foreign.
    • Community Assistant
    • Political Ambassador
    • Welcome Squad
    Offline

    19
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by TitanicTeutonicPhil)
    Of course. And both are xenophobic.

    Your lack of humanism is appalling.
    I give up arguing with people who cannot understand the difference between controlling and limiting immigration. You can go and continue arguing with people and yourself, it's actually quite entertaining.

    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Obviously. You don't hear cries to deport people, merely cries to reduce the number of immigrants. The difference? They are foreign.
    There are people who do want to reduce the number of immigrants - I wasn't ignoring that. I was arguing with this special gentleman because he associates controlling immigration with limiting immigration. The two are quite different and the former is definitely not xenophobic...
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    I voted leave as well as the EU open border policy ****s up everything
    Offline

    16
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by TitanicTeutonicPhil)


    Bitter much about the many times I destroyed your nationalistic, populist, economically ignorant ********?

    Bugs me that imbeciles like you will get to profit from the new cap on roaming charges which the EU just pushed through, saving Europeans tens of millions a year. The EU really is nothing but an out-of-control bureaucratic monster hurting its citizens! :bigsmile:
    Just risible, reductive cliches as usual. No change there.

    Looking forward to the French election?
    Online

    20
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    Just risible, reductive cliches as usual. No change there.
    ... which had you witless nationalists comprehensively beat every time. No change indeed.

    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    Looking forward to the French election?
    I am, very much so, and the Dutch and German ones too. Your country and the US spectacularly going up in flames and down the drain after a move to the right will work a treat.
    Offline

    13
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by karl pilkington)
    Let's say article 50 gets voted in who here will be glad who voted remain or leave and who regrets voting the way they did?
    I Couldn't vote but I managed to sway my mam, dad and brother to Vote Remain. Although the Rest of the UK chose leave I fell Article 50 should be triggered ASAP. Why wait to do something once its decided?
    Hope This Helps!
    Offline

    5
    ReputationRep:
    I wasn't able to vote (too young). But I would have voted remain.

    The economic risk is too high, but I'm not bothered about the outcome. I don't expect anything too serious to come out of all this.
    Offline

    12
    ReputationRep:
    Just ordered my EHIC cause I'm going travelling in the summer. Anyone know if this'll be kept or scrapped when we leave the EU? (I voted remain)
    Offline

    20
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Leanney)
    Just ordered my EHIC cause I'm going travelling in the summer. Anyone know if this'll be kept or scrapped when we leave the EU? (I voted remain)
    Depends on negotiations. Assume not, since the political rhetoric is "bluddy foriners usin are nhs", and therefore reciprocity won't be there.

    Posted from TSR Mobile
    Offline

    18
    ReputationRep:
    I couldn't vote but I influenced my parents to leave, I simply hate the open border policy.
    • TSR Support Team
    Offline

    21
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by The RAR)
    I couldn't vote but I influenced my parents to leave, I simply hate the open border policy.
    Do you mean the schengen zone that we aren't part of or the free movement of workers that any country can place restrictions on?


    Posted from TSR Mobile
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by karl pilkington)
    Let's say article 50 gets voted in who here will be glad who voted remain or leave and who regrets voting the way they did?
    In the original vote I voted to stay...

    It is still a stinging wound I have...

    Not least as I lost a (good) few £'s on a bet...
 
 
 
  • See more of what you like on The Student Room

    You can personalise what you see on TSR. Tell us a little about yourself to get started.

  • Poll
    Did TEF Bronze Award affect your UCAS choices?
    Useful resources

    Groups associated with this forum:

    View associated groups
  • See more of what you like on The Student Room

    You can personalise what you see on TSR. Tell us a little about yourself to get started.

  • The Student Room, Get Revising and Marked by Teachers are trading names of The Student Room Group Ltd.

    Register Number: 04666380 (England and Wales), VAT No. 806 8067 22 Registered Office: International House, Queens Road, Brighton, BN1 3XE

    Quick reply
    Reputation gems: You get these gems as you gain rep from other members for making good contributions and giving helpful advice.