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    I've even seen people supporting Trump... Really?
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    My guess is that people who go to the trouble of registering and posting on an internet discussion forum probably have stronger views than most hence the polemic approach. :dontknow:
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      (Original post by a-98)
      I've even seen people supporting Trump... Really?
      Because people in the real world obviously don't support Trump... :facepalm:
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        We had a similar discussion about this some weeks ago. Here are some of the responses.

        TSR's demographics


        Rakas21
        (Original post by Rakas21)
        The answer to the OP is that TSR is more reflective of the country than OP's (probably Labour) echo circles. The Libertarianism stems from the middle class demographic while the nationalism and anti-SJW stems from the fact that the userbase is mostly outside of London and heavily male.

        Is that really unrepresentative of the country as a whole outside London? I live outside of Bradford and i can tell you that most white folk have a very negative perception of that religion and its followers and these are people who are exposed to that hellhole rather than out in the sticks. Anecdotal perhaps but backed by polling. Britain aint Islam friendly outside of the circles of power.
        (Original post by Rakas21)
        Basically the city is extremely deprived and the Muslim population has expanded hugely (the next census will find 35%+, it does not feel English and because they all conglomerate the perception is that these people don't fit in, are criminals, groom girls (wait until there's a study in Bradford, it will make Rochdale look tame) and generally are a waste of space. There is also a perception that it is unsafe and that there are basically Muslim zones.

        Basically instead of creating a multi-cultural city or a British city with Muslim Brits, it's become a place which is no longer part of British society and where white folk will likely be replaced. It's already elected George Galloway and is known by most as 'Bradistan'.

        I have a lot of sympathy for Muslim individuals who may well mean well but i detest Bradford and the political complacency that has allowed it to become what it is.

        I've chosen not to mention the number of terrorist suspects its also produced.


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        I don't buy the argument that the internet attracts right-wing types. It does however attract a certain demographic, which is right-wing on the issues most commonly discussed in News and Current Affairs.

        TSR's demographics are largely white, middle class, young tech-savvy introverts, and these people tend to be left-wing on many issues (for example, drug legalisation or internet privacy), while also being right-wing on other issues (e.g. tolerance of Islam, BLM).

        TSR has a lot of edgy teenagers realising that they're allowed to question things. Once you realize popular wisdom or your middle school teacher might have been wrong about one thing ("the Soviets were as bad as the Nazis" for the obvious example) you start thinking that maybe other things you've always heard were wrong too ("Socialism is as bad as Nazism. I am so cool and educated and everyone else is a moron." ).

        People online express views which they wouldn't dare express in person - for example, support of UKIP, Britain First, or even Trump.

        News and Current Affairs was, at one point, slightly more right-wing than other forums for some reason - perhaps after a major terrorist attack - and this attracted more right-wingers and pushed away left-wingers, so that the disparity increased.

        Right-wingers feel safer voicing their opinions online

        Luke7456

        (Original post by Luke7456)
        I don't know what the exact demographics are if we had a poll I'm sure it would throw up a surprise one way or the other. However the left wing tends to have this Stalinist mentality where anyone that disagrees with them is evil.

        They build up arguments which have flaws in their premise and then draw conclusions of these flawed assumptions which unfairly labels the other side.

        For example
        "Feminism is men and women been equal
        If you think men and women should be equal
        If you disagree with feminism then you think women should not be treated equally to men which makes you mysgonistic and sexist"

        This is one of the classic examples and obviously if we simply defined feminism as men and women should be treated equally end it there add nothing subtract nothing then sure you can call me a feminist.

        However often lots of stuff is added such as universities favouring women over men (lots of maths courses specifically say they want more women in maths I don't think if my application was exactly equal to a women's that I'd stand an equal chance of getting a place) or certain boards have to be a thing least 50% women but if they are 70% women no o e thinks that's unfair on the guys.

        So often what feminists argue for is far from equality and when you argue with this they try and call you sexist scum.

        Your called racist for voting Brexit or supporting trump etc.

        What this does is it scares some people into silence however the internet in many ways is much safer then the streets. If I said I supported trump at work I could expect to be ostracised and outcast. However people feel safer saying what they truly think anonymously.

        Hence their will always be more people that are right wing then would admit to it in public. Hence why they may appear over represented online.

        This is getting dangerous now not because of people holding political views they currently do because vast majority of the time it's a respectable view point.

        Rather because once you intimidate people away from the debate and they don't share what they truly think their are less obstacles to more and more people actually really becoming far right.

        This left wing mentality of silencing vilifying and intimidating opposing views is such a gift to the real far right that at times I have seriously entertained the idea hat maybe it was the real far right that created it.

        That is actually a manipulation technique that both ghandi and the Nazis were well aware of. Not trying to equate ghandi with there Nazis obviously ghandi was a good guy and he Nazis weren't but the same techniques can be used by both good and evil.

        Kvothe the Arcane


        (Original post by Kvothe the Arcane)
        The internet gives a voice to people who would otherwise be dismissed in real life.
        (Original post by jneill)
        And eejits

        XiuXiu
        (Original post by XiuXiu)
        Because it's difficult and not really socially accepted to voice extreme right views in public (this is exaggerated by the right who think that the whole world is against them, but it is nonetheless true to an extent). Therefore, the internet is dominated by people who find it difficult to have these sorts of dialogues anywhere but online (as somebody on the other side of extremity, it's the same).


        The internet attracts right-wingers

        TitanicTeutonicPhil
        (Original post by TitanicTeutonicPhil)
        Pretty easy. Right-wingers suffer from inferiority complexes or are narcissists, that is why they like to consider others as inferior and put them down (which is what being right wing boils down to really). Internet forums are a great playground for people who like to put people down, so it's likely to find many right-wing nut-jobs there.
        (Original post by jake4198)
        I find it perplexing that you have the nerve to preach the moral high ground while simultaneously labelling the right with a blanket insult. Those on the right do not suffer from a superiority complex, but are against the new wave of western progressive politics which defies fundamental principles in favour of political correctness and virtue signalling. If all you can do is demean and berate those who align - politically - different from yourself, perhaps you need to get out of your echo chamber and explore the right wing narrative. The left have tried condescension as a political mean for a few years now - evidently, it hasn't seemed to have worked.
        (Original post by TitanicTeutonicPhil)
        I am condemning a bunch of disgusting, mostly uneducated thugs who need to put weaker people down to make themselves feel better. Call it taking the moral high ground if you will...

        Of course they do, it's all they do. Right wing is all about shielding a nation from foreign individuals or influence, both of which are considered as bad. Of course right wingers deny this as it outs them as what they are, xenophobic nationalists, but that doesn't change that it is the truth.

        I assume by political correctness you mean not being racist, xenophobic, homophobic, or any other toxic attitudes of the plebs - I fully agree with you then!

        Those who I demean and berate have well and truly earned it, and still do it every day. You're earning it right now!

        It's working just fine for me, you POS
        (Original post by richpanda)
        What's so hilariously ironic about this thread is that the quoted responses in the OP are exactly the kind of idiotic holier-than-thou responses that make people pissed off with the left and turn to the right.

        Calling all right wingers narcissists? Or idiots? Way to go guys, especially from senior voices on TSR.

        Sakisaka
        (Original post by Sakisaka)
        It's the internet, Right wing people like debating on platforms that have no influence whatsoever lmao.
        (Original post by astutehirstute)
        Are you for real?

        Right wing people are shaping the western world as we watch. Brexit, Trump, Italy, in a couple of months the Netherlands and France.

        It is the left that is pi$$ing in the wind.


        Leftists gave up

        Captain Haddock

        (Original post by Captain Haddock)
        I think a lot of left-wingers on here just end up becoming exhausted. Reading this forum I get the impression that the thought-world of the average 18-25yo internet right winger is a very simple one. Things like good/bad, right/wrong, are all very easy things for them. Any attempt at nuance gets you labelled a 'terrorist sympathiser', 'SJW', or whatever. This isn't every right winger, of course. You have users like Rakas and Lib who actually use their brains, but many are just stubbornly ignorant - a by-product of internet culture where memes count as arguments and offending somebody or getting a negative response out of them is considered a victory. It drives people away, for reasons that are obvious.
        (Original post by Mathemagicien)
        The thought-world of the average 18-25yo internet left winger is also a very simple one. You don't think leftists use memes, or call people 'racist', 'fascist', or whatever?

        I really don't buy this argument; especially since, until recently, the most prominent right-wingers on here (this subforum) seemed to put the most thought into their posts.
        (Original post by Captain Haddock)
        The leftist thought-world may be equally simple, but is typically well-intentioned and defensive. For many right wingers, the debate is 'won' for them when they have adequately 'triggered' somebody.

        Craghyrax

        (Original post by Craghyrax)
        Because this is the only place right wing kids can spout off without being social outcasts, and the rest of us got bored/fed up and moved on
        (Original post by Snufkin)
        Yer.

        It takes a lot of energy to argue with hard-right and so-called alt-right people online, and most of the time your efforts are wasted because they either won't acknowledge your post, or they will dismiss it out of hand as lies. After a short time most people give up. They are a (very) vocal minority who are best ignored.


        StrawbAri
        (Original post by StrawbAri)
        This site is odd.
        Especially the the N&CA and I really should avoid it for sake of my mental health.
        It is stressful posting here because I lean more towards the centre.

        On this particular forum I've noticed people on the 'left' and people on the 'right' are exactly the same type of people. They use the same arguments rehashed to suit their agenda, they push false narratives and purposely miss out facts because it doesn't confirm to their ideals, they will immediately and vehemently call you names and insult your intelligence if you dare question their opinions and they're too blind to actually see this.

        This is the only site where I've been simultaneously called an sjw Islamist AND a racist against Muslims because I dared air opinions that were slightly different.

        The most hilarious part is that both sides will never actually acknowledge that they're both as bad as the other.

        I can think of a couple of people that are actually intelligent and don't take life too seriously on this forum. Some of these people are ready to beef you for years because you disagreed with them on one thing
        @Quantex @Hydeman @WBZ144, rakas and @Foo.mp3 (Depending) for example

        Also you OP ??

        Then you've got the odd troll like that Jew hating guy and chaoskass/len goodman that just make you laugh.

        jape
        It's not difficult to forget that you're in a minority school of thought as a right-winger, and I suppose that compels you to speak up as much as possible when you can. The relative anonymity of TSR makes a great deal of people feel more comfortable doing so than they otherwise might face-to-face.

        astutehirstute
        (Original post by astutehirstute)
        It is the zeitgeist. The spirit of the times.

        In case you have been living in a cave and missed it, the radical right is on the march all over the western world, overthrowing governments, destroying the EU, winning the US Presidential election. That sort of stuff, nothing major admittedly..

        If this website had existed in the France of 1789, or the Russia of 1917, I think there would have been a few revolutionaries on there too. And a few posters living in a bubble also, not willing to accept, not understanding that their world was being overthrown. Apologists for the ancien regime like the lefties on here.

        Right-wingers are more vocal

        thatswrong

        (Original post by thatswrong.)
        The right wing are a very touchy and hypocritical group. They're loud mouth is actually a defence mechanism because they've realised that their ideologies are drowning into irrelevance.

        MrDystopia
        (Original post by MrDystopia)
        I would say the forum still leans left, it's just those on the right are vastly more vocal about their views.

        WBZ144
        (Original post by WBZ144)
        If you look at the daily polls to do with political affairs, most TSR members seem to hold left-leaning beliefs because those make up the majority of poll opinions. But many of them don't seem to want to discuss politics and prefer other sections of the forum, or they will leave a comment here or there but not return to the thread to debate. On the other hand, the right-wing posters seem to be more vocal about their views in general. Perhaps they feel more of a need to persuade others to their beliefs? Perhaps more of them are angry and passionate?
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        (Original post by a-98)
        I've even seen people supporting Trump... Really?
        Yes really look if you. Elieve the main stream media propaganda which is acting for corrupt foreign interests and corrupt corporate interests then trump is literally the next hitler we will have concentration camps throughout America nuclear world war three he supports rape and is a rapist and is an active nazi oh and he flew to Russia just to pay prostitutes to piss on a mattress because Obama once slept on it.

        I feel I seriously believed any of that I'd have serious misgivings about him the thing is I can think critically research elsewhere other then main stream headlines and spot ********. I don't believe any of it, hence how I can support him. You likely can only believe things in your echo chamber of media lies and thus think that is all their is to the debate. It's not because these people are supporting ridicolous idea so it's because your thinking to narrow to recognise your sources are not that reliable.
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        (Original post by a-98)
        I've even seen people supporting Trump... Really?
        Seeing as Trump is now the President of the USA it makes sense that people support him. He did win something called an election even if Clinton beat him by popular vote.
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        What makes you think that they're different? I honestly can't see much of a difference between the (individual) content posted on here and the content posted on Reddit.

        This site has over a million registered members and, whilst most are long inactive, it's not exactly a stretch to assume that the opinions posted on here are representative of those held by the general public, especially considering that the userbase covers pretty much all of the political spectrum.
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        (Original post by a-98)
        I've even seen people supporting Trump... Really?
        If you are suprised about that, it says a lot about you and the circles you must move in. Clearly you have been in an echo chamber for too long and believe everybody shares your views. Well sorry, a lot of us don't.
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        (Original post by Mathemagicien)
        We had a similar discussion about this some weeks ago. Here are some of the responses.

        TSR's demographics


        Rakas21




        Mathemagicien[/expand

        I don't buy the argument that the internet attracts right-wing types. It does however attract a certain demographic, which is right-wing on the issues most commonly discussed in News and Current Affairs.

        TSR's demographics are largely white, middle class, young tech-savvy introverts, and these people tend to be left-wing on many issues (for example, drug legalisation or internet privacy), while also being right-wing on other issues (e.g. tolerance of Islam, BLM).

        TSR has a lot of edgy teenagers realising that they're allowed to question things. Once you realize popular wisdom or your middle school teacher might have been wrong about one thing ("the Soviets were as bad as the Nazis" for the obvious example) you start thinking that maybe other things you've always heard were wrong too ("Socialism is as bad as Nazism. I am so cool and educated and everyone else is a moron." ).

        People online express views which they wouldn't dare express in person - for example, support of UKIP, Britain First, or even Trump.

        News and Current Affairs was, at one point, slightly more right-wing than other forums for some reason - perhaps after a major terrorist attack - and this attracted more right-wingers and pushed away left-wingers, so that the disparity increased.

        Right-wingers feel safer voicing their opinions online

        Luke7456


        Kvothe the Arcane







        The internet attracts right-wingers

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        Sakisaka



        Leftists gave up

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        jape
        It's not difficult to forget that you're in a minority school of thought as a right-winger, and I suppose that compels you to speak up as much as possible when you can. The relative anonymity of TSR makes a great deal of people feel more comfortable doing so than they otherwise might face-to-face.


        Right-wingers are more vocal

        thatswrong




        As well summarised here, you do have a range. In fact, I think since Trump's inauguration, you've seen a shift in that anti-Trump sentiment here is much more vocal than prior.

        Most people here certainly don't support Trump, and it would nice to see those who don't speaking out more and more for the sake of better quality discussion.
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        (Original post by a-98)
        I've even seen people supporting Trump... Really?
        It is not hard for a Briton to support Trump, so long as you are able to see though all the media spin. The sort of slanted, post truth nonsense on the BBC.

        Obama hated the UK pretty much, He said that we would be at the back of the queue for a trade deal when we left the EU, and he met Merkel well before the then PM Gordon Brown. Who got in just after the Leader of South Korea, I believe.

        At that meeting Brown gave him a pen holder made by one of the finest craftsmen in the world, from the salvaged wood of a famous anti slavery ship. Obama gave him a CD of Singing in the Rain.

        Trump, per contra, has met our PM at the end of his first week in office. Before any other world leader. He has promised we can have a trade deal as soon as we leave the EU. He doesn't plan to meet Merkei at all until the G20 meeting in July. So far aw we know anyway.

        So talk me through why Obama was such a wonderful President for us and Trump a disaster?
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        It's probably worth saying that even when the left were dominant TSR always had the ability to surprise. I once ran a thread discussing limiting vouchers to welfare and even if we ignore the debate, the poll (with several hundred votes) showed a narrow win for the idea. The userbase is more representative of the country outside London than some would like it to be.

        The only difference today is that the left are losing the debate. They've called people racist or transphobic or bigoted for too long and its pissed people off. Think about why the Scots went 45% to Leave, if you call people small and poor and incapable eventually there comes a time when they'll either lose self confidence and submit or break your nose for it, elections/referena give an opportunity for the later to take place.
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        (Original post by Rakas21)
        The only difference today is that the left are losing the debate.
        That is the point.

        TSR just reflects the wider world in which the left has nothing to say that isn't wrong.

        That bizarre, sad protest march at being defeated, summed it up for me.

        I half expected to read a placard by a transgender "person of colour" saying "Hands off my black pussy!"

        You wouldn't be surprised would you? The left is just there to be despised or laughed at nowadays

       
       
       
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