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Niccolo
Oh Dear. Moron alert. They aren't doing anything coercive, beyond some mildly irritating 'stalker-ish' advertising which, whilst annoying, does nobody any real harm beyond stoking one's irritation a bit. I repeat: IF YOU ARE SAD ENOUGH TO BE OBSESSED WITH OXBRIDGE AND THINK IT IT WILL BE THE END OF YOUR LIFE IF YOU DON'T GET IN THEN YOU DESERVE WHATEVER YOU GET. If someone sees OA's dodgy statistics, goes into a blind panic and decides to fork out the best part of a grand for the training weekend, then that is UP TO THEM AND NOT SOME SPLUTTERING IDIOT ON TSR.

Do you have such a low opinion of people's intelligence that you think they need to be protected from this sick, exploitative filth, a la The Daily Mail? Hmm.


SHUT THE F UP MATE and actually read what i've wrote :rolleyes: ......................

They gained my details under FALSE PRETENCES you penis, which is something beyond just 'mildly annoying'!!! :rolleyes: ..............

And as for it doing no real harm, well obviously it's a ***** letter and no where did i say it did me real harm, i just said how much it annoyed and pissed me off.........read what i have written before you start blabbering on about crap!!...................

Furthermore this company is a scam if it uses 'scare tactics' to get business, many who apply to Oxford (like me) come from a rubbish comp school and sixth form where little or no help is provided to us in applying to Oxbridge, therefore others who may be a bit more gullible so to say, may actually take the statistics they provide seriously and therefore spend a huge amount of money on unnecessary days/weekends............

I mean why don' they just send these letters addressed to the STUDENTS who are actually applying, rather then the parents, scaring/worrying them for no reason.............This is just ridiculous and utterly unacceptable (especially the circumstances they have gained the information by).............and this is a point which has been re-iterated at my school today once the students complained about receiving the letter, our teachers were furious!!! (under statement) and are launching a formal complaint against them.........

I mean if this does not equate to the company being a joke, i think you are the MORON here!!! :rolleyes:..............
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akademic
SHUT THE F UP MATE and actually read what i've wrote :rolleyes: ......................

They gained my details under FALSE PRETENCES you penis, which is something beyond just 'mildly annoying'!!! :rolleyes: ..............
I mean why don' they just send these letters addressed to the STUDENTS who are actually applying, rather then the parents, scaring/worrying them for no reason.............This is just ridiculous and utterly unacceptable (especially the circumstances they have gained the information by).............and this is a point which has been re-iterated at my school today once the students complained about receiving the letter, our teachers were furious!!! (under statement) and are launching a formal complaint against them.........

False pretences? That's a bit of an exaggeration, perhaps. They said they were going to send you information (about the interview weekend thingie), and they did. The reason why the letter was addressed to your father and not to yourself is that applicants are unlikely to be paying for those weekends themselves. Yes, the way they phrased it was misleading, because they diguised the fact that their 'information' was a form of advertisement, but it's hardly something worth getting quite so worked up about...:hmmmm:
Reply 42
akademic
SHUT THE F UP MATE and actually read what i've wrote :rolleyes: ......................

They gained my details under FALSE PRETENCES you penis, which is something beyond just 'mildly annoying'!!! :rolleyes: ..............

And as for it doing no real harm, well obviously it's a ***** letter and no where did i say it did me real harm, i just said how much it annoyed and pissed me off.........read what i have written before you start blabbering on about crap!!...................

Furthermore this company is a scam if it uses 'scare tactics' to get business, many who apply to Oxford (like me) come from a rubbish comp school and sixth form where little or no help is provided to us in applying to Oxbridge, therefore others who may be a bit more gullible so to say, may actually take the statistics they provide seriously and therefore spend a huge amount of money on unnecessary days/weekends............

I mean why don' they just send these letters addressed to the STUDENTS who are actually applying, rather then the parents, scaring/worrying them for no reason.............This is just ridiculous and utterly unacceptable (especially the circumstances they have gained the information by).............and this is a point which has been re-iterated at my school today once the students complained about receiving the letter, our teachers were furious!!! (under statement) and are launching a formal complaint against them.........

I mean if this does not equate to the company being a joke, i think you are the MORON here!!! :rolleyes:..............


You ridiculous little sixth former (are you even doing your A2s yet, moron?).
I didn't try and say the company was nice, or that it wouldn't resort to underhand tactics to get people to use it. Simply that is is fairly effective. Anyway, don't worry your little head, I dont think you'll be getting in, Oxbridge Applications or not, so pipe down; you seem barely literate.
hobnob
False pretences? That's a bit of an exaggeration, perhaps. They said they were going to send you information (about the interview weekend thingie), and they did. The reason why the letter was addressed to your father and not to yourself is that applicants are unlikely to be paying for those weekends themselves. Yes, the way they phrased it was misleading, because they diguised the fact that their 'information' was a form of advertisement, but it's hardly something worth getting quite so worked up about...:hmmmm:


nah mate, they what they said to our teachers when they got our info was that they were going to send actual helpful information, not promotional stuff of OA - which our teachers where very strict about asking as we found out today from them when we complained..........

and Niccolo, mate who the *** do you think you at deciding people's chances of getting in or not, you know nothing about my chances, so i think you should be the one who pipes down :rolleyes: .........

As for what i said i was commenting back on what you said about,

"They aren't doing anything coercive, beyond some mildly irritating 'stalker-ish' advertising which, whilst annoying, does nobody any real harm beyond stoking one's irritation a bit."

So moron read your posts first!!! :smile:
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akademic
nah mate, they what they said to our teachers when they got our info was that they were going to send actual helpful information, not promotional stuff of OA - which our teachers where very strict about asking as we found out today from them when we complained..........

and Niccolo, mate who the *** do you think you at deciding people's chances of getting in or not, you know nothing about my chances, so i think you should be the one who pipes down :rolleyes: .........

As for what i said i was commenting back on what you said about,

"They aren't doing anything coercive, beyond some mildly irritating 'stalker-ish' advertising which, whilst annoying, does nobody any real harm beyond stoking one's irritation a bit."


So moron read your posts first!!! :smile:


Yes, I was commenting on your reply to what I said here. 'OOh, GOD, they've INVADED MY PWIVACY, oohh, they got my details via illicit means, ooh, pwecious, it violates me, ooh, no other company has ever done that in the history of commerce, have they? oooh! How AWFUL!'

You really are pathetic, even for a child. I feel stupid myself for deining to spend time arguing with a 16 year old Oxbridge wannabe when I have already been here for two years myself, and a not very bright one at that, by the looks of things. And as for predicting whether or not you will get in, let's just say its an 'educated guess,' to resort to a hackneyed phrase :wink: .
Come on guys, calm it down please :smile:
Niccolo
Yes, I was commenting on your reply to what I said here. 'OOh, GOD, they've INVADED MY PWIVACY, oohh, they got my details via illicit means, ooh, pwecious, it violates me, ooh, no other company has ever done that in the history of commerce, have they? oooh! How AWFUL!'

You really are pathetic, even for a child. I feel stupid myself for deining to spend time arguing with a 16 year old Oxbridge wannabe when I have already been here for two years myself, and a not very bright one at that, by the looks of things. And as for predicting whether or not you will get in, let's just say its an 'educated guess,' to resort to a hackneyed phrase :wink: .


hahahaha............

you think just because i got rude to you that i ain't gunna get accepted into Oxbridge etc, get the *** over yourself mate JESUS!!!............

i mean if i had accepted OA was indeed the a useful thing you would have no problem as i would have agreed with you, but because i have a different opinion to you, you start having a hissy fit and then examining my chances on getting into Oxbridge based on what exactly??...........The way i talk to you or on TSR!!! ahahhahaa, you know nothing about me so please just the shut the *** up :biggrin: ............

you are no one so get used to it, your opinion or as you say 'educated guess' means nothing :rolleyes: .................

look i have far better things to do then argue with someone who seems to have built a home up the buttocks of OA,

peace out biatch :tsr2:
Reply 47
akademic
nah mate, they what they said to our teachers when they got our info was that they were going to send actual helpful information, not promotional stuff of OA - which our teachers where very strict about asking as we found out today from them when we complained..........

Well, but you see, from their point of view, it is "helpful information", because it tells you what your statistical chances of success are and how you can improve them (or so they claim, anyway) by registering for one of their courses. Oxbridge Applications would probably argue that knowing what your options are and being aware that such courses exist and you can take advantage of them if you like (and are willing to pay for the privilege, of course) constitutes "helpful information" which may be new to you and your parents. And all of that isn't strictly untrue, except perhaps for the supposed effectiveness of those weekend courses, which is hard to prove.
It's all down to how you define "helpful information", really. Obviously students and parents have a notion of "helpful information" which differs from that of Oxbridge Applications, and OA are probably counting on being misunderstood there, which is rather sneaky, but still not really something you could call a false pretence, I think.
Reply 48
Niccolo - for somebody who is not working for OA you are creating a very good impression that you are. Personally as much as I can see your point in how some people would be desparately hung on getting into Oxbridge as their lives depended on it; can you not see how even then that the company is wrong? It gives people false hope, whilst taking their money.

Bandying about comments also as to people's chances which you have only based upon them disagreeing with you doesn't strike me as being to wise...
Reply 49
Andy H
Niccolo - for somebody who is not working for OA you are creating a very good impression that you are. Personally as much as I can see your point in how some people would be desparately hung on getting into Oxbridge as their lives depended on it; can you not see how even then that the company is wrong? It gives people false hope, whilst taking their money.

Bandying about comments also as to people's chances which you have only based upon them disagreeing with you doesn't strike me as being to wise...


No, i was basing it on the apparent lack of literacy of the ****er...

anyway, I simply can't see how what I have said leads anyone to believe I am advocating the use of this company. I think that in every post, I have pointed out the sheer nastiness of many of its features. Just because I don't blanket condemn it as USELESS (most of the people doing so on here have no experience of it, the spluttering 16 year old being an excellent case in point) does not been I lick its arse.
Reply 50
What I do disagree with though is that you said that TSR is not a useful source of information because it is full of people who don't know what they are talking about.

Personally, everything that OA seemed to advertise that they could offer, is available in the majority of cases free as a combination of forums such as these, and from your school/college. From that respect, I can see people's point in dismissing the usefullness of OA
Niccolo
No, i was basing it on the apparent lack of literacy of the ****er...

anyway, I simply can't see how what I have said leads anyone to believe I am advocating the use of this company. I think that in every post, I have pointed out the sheer nastiness of many of its features. Just because I don't blanket condemn it as USELESS (most of the people doing so on here have no experience of it, the spluttering 16 year old being an excellent case in point) does not been I lick its arse.


(a) how i talk on TSR or the language i use on it has absolutely no bearing to how i talk/use language in real life, i think when it comes to interviews, personal statements etc i can articulate myself well and don't use words like *****[Moderator edit] :rolleyes: - i merely used it in this case to describe you as i thought it was the word that fitted best...............

and

(b)i just wanna point out this line you have about me being 16 :rolleyes: ................

I'm 20 and have done my a-levels, i was scheduled for a gap year with a charity this year as well as go travelling (after having done a year out last year working in industry) but due to medical reasons i could not go ahead with it, so i thought why not in the year that i have free anyway, do some extra a-levels, hence i still go to college..............

So i'm speaking from some sort of experience, so get your *****g facts straight before you start talking rubbish!! and patronising people with how much older you are to them (as in fact at most you are what 20 yourself!!) and 'rating' there chances of getting into Oxbridge when you have absolutely no *****g idea!! :smile:
Reply 52
my opinion is............. I massively disagree with the cost of these OA courses, but I think their book "tell me about a banana" was really useful, and helped me a great deal putting together the first draft of my personal statement. My mum also got a letter sent to her saying "OMG 58% SUCCESS, SEND YOUR KID ON THIS. ONLY £850"

I'm 21, luckily knowing the value of £850, and would never in a million years spend it on a company that tried to pretty much, scare my mum lol Plus my car needs servicing, i need to by some more books bla bla bla. basically i fail to see its worth.

Niccolo - you seem very close minded for a oxbridge undergrad/applicant. I can understand you have your own opinion on this, but realise that you might be wrong. And no one apart from the admissions tutors can rate what chance anyone has.

Akademic - mate, you don't seem very articulate for an oxbridge applicant. There are far better ways to show your frustration with peoples views than typing swear words that are just star'ed out anyway. Not that i care really haha, you can argue with each other all you want.

And finally, TSR is a massive resource for anything academic. The amount of help you can find on this forum is unbelievable. and people do know what they're talkin about. That includes applying to oxford or cambridge.
RocketTown
my opinion is............. I massively disagree with the cost of these OA courses, but I think their book "tell me about a banana" was really useful, and helped me a great deal putting together the first draft of my personal statement. My mum also got a letter sent to her saying "OMG 58% SUCCESS, SEND YOUR KID ON THIS. ONLY £850"

I'm 21, luckily knowing the value of £850, and would never in a million years spend it on a company that tried to pretty much, scare my mum lol Plus my car needs servicing, i need to by some more books bla bla bla. basically i fail to see its worth.

Niccolo - you seem very close minded for a oxbridge undergrad/applicant. I can understand you have your own opinion on this, but realise that you might be wrong. And no one apart from the admissions tutors can rate what chance anyone has.

Akademic - mate, you don't seem very articulate for an oxbridge applicant. There are far better ways to show your frustration with peoples views than typing swear words that are just star'ed out anyway. Not that i care really haha, you can argue with each other all you want.

And finally, TSR is a massive resource for anything academic. The amount of help you can find on this forum is unbelievable. and people do know what they're talkin about. That includes applying to oxford or cambridge.


:ditto: with everything you have just said (inc. about me)..........

i'm just a person who gets wound up easily (esp. when dealing with close minded people) and i'll be the first to admit i let my anger get the best of me sometimes...........i was just venting my anger with OA i guess, but like i said i have ended this 'feud' now as there is no point in it continuing :rolleyes: ..............

:tsr2:
what do people think of the following?:

If people have an ethical problem with the existance of oxbridge applications, then they must be absolutely apalled by the existance of private schools, because private schools do the same thing, but get several years to do it.

I actually think that has much more sway than their own usual defense that 'people hire a solicitor for professional advice and that's not looked down upon, what's wrong with paying for educational advice regarding your education, is it really anymore fundamental than legal advice?"
Reply 55
gooseymcgoose
If people have an ethical problem with the existance of oxbridge applications, then they must be absolutely apalled by the existance of private schools, because private schools do the same thing, but get several years to do it.


I don't like the way that OA advertises mainly. However I am not too keen on private schools, but I take a similar stance as with OA in that people will pay for them, but ultimately they end up attracting those who would have done well anyways and give them a confidence boost, along with people who are naive and think that money + no work = success.
To be fair private schooling doesnt cost 4oo pounds per day.
Reply 57
SsEe
Don't waste your money. Nothing they can tell you that people on here can't.

Perhaps they can't tell you anything more, but, as far as I can tell, they do offer face-to-face interview practice, which is something TSR cannot do. Regardless of any economic or ethical points, there is a huge difference between theory and practice. I could explain the rules of tennis, the technique behind all the shots, the strategies to employ during the game; however, will somebody on TSR then be able to go out and play tennis to a high level? You may argue that the example of a physical sport is a poor comparison, but how about an academic example? I could say to somebody that they can differentiate a function by considering the gradient of a function f(x)f(x) between xx and x+δxx + \delta x and tell them to let δx0\delta x \rightarrow 0, but does this mean that they could sit a high-pressure, timed exam and differentiate an example, say xcosxx \cos x in under two minutes? The ability to perform well in a pressure situation, such as a university interview, is gained through experience of those pressure situations, not by reading TSR.
Lusus Naturae
Perhaps they can't tell you anything more, but, as far as I can tell, they do offer face-to-face interview practice, which is something TSR cannot do


But how useful is face-to-face interview practice anyway? Having not had any relevant practice at all (the one mock interview my teachers arranged for me was about current affairs and why I wanted to apply to Cambridge- neither of which came up at all!) I think I came accross, well, probably a bit naive and unpolished which it would be nice to think worked in my favour. The same ideas extended into several of the questions- I'd not read any of the historiographical texts that many applicants (having been involved in talking to many people applying for History through TSR) tend to read, my ideas were my own and were simple and pretty much close to the historical orthodoxy- I just didn't know it. Interview practice would probably have changed a bit how I did the interview.

Having said that, I'll provide a mock interview for the cost of a train fare to where you are, plus a £100 down payment. Half the cost of OA, and I've had a 100% success rate so far- better than they have! Plus it's a personal home-visit service. :wink:

[this was, before I get submerged in PMs from stressed applicants, a joke. :p: ]
Reply 59
Niccolo
You ridiculous little sixth former (are you even doing your A2s yet, moron?).


In my opinion a lot of what "the gobby applicants" and "ridiculous little sixth formers" say is more valuable than the bile that so consistently comes from your fingertips on this forum.

Yes, people do post on here who don't have a clue, but the majority of replies to questions are made by people in pretty good positions to answer them. The success rate of the applicants on these boards must compare favourably with that of those who attend workshops by Cambridge Applications, largely (I imagine) because it's roughly the same self-selected group. This site is an awful lot more useful than "a cock flavoured lollipop", and an awful lot more fun too.

And that's saying something.

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