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    (Original post by MachinesCradle)
    You are diluting the term communist to suit your argument. This cannot work because by definition communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society with democratic control of the means of production. The only societies that have ever been close to communism are the Paris Commune, Revolutionary Catalonia, the Zapatista society and the Israeli Kibbutzes.

    Syndicalism, MLM, and even state capitalism and bureaucratic collectivism can only be considered proto-communist if they are united under the end goal of orthodox Marxism. I do not support labour unions, the destruction of the state, the end of money or the end of classes so I am by definition not communist, and you are ignorant.
    How about modern day Chinese 'communism' or 'state capitalism'?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    How about modern day Chinese 'communism' or 'state capitalism'?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism
    It depends on the intentions of the CCP. They call themselves communist but labels are not reliable. If the Chinese actually want to get rid of the state, money and class system (extremely unlikely) then they could be considered MLM but if they want to become an economic superpower then they should be considered state capitalists.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    How about modern day Chinese 'communism' or 'state capitalism'?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism
    State capitalism =/= communism. Lenin even said this.

    China isn't a communist society. It is rulled by a communist party however. I'm sure there are plenty of the ruling elite who in private are not communists, but it has become part of the state ideology so they have to incorporate it some how. I'm sure there are also those in the elite who have a Leninist style outlook of guiding the plebs to communism when the historical material conditions some how align and communism becomes possible and other such "scientific socialism" hokum. I don't know why they bother though since Communism is after all inevitable. :rolleyes:

    Do you think North Korea is democratic because they have the word in the ruling ideology? It's a similar kind of thing.
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    (Original post by LisaNikita)
    How is Marine Le Pen left wing? Are you stupid? How is the UK left wing? Did we not vote to leave the EU and elect a conservative? The chances of Labour ever winning a general election are slim. Also Germany is right-leaning. Angela Merkel decided to put down some laws which were more far right than left. Either way. It doesn't matter what you think. Its about the people who will vote.
    Le Pen isn't right wing economically. Euroscepticism isn't confined to the right either.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
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    (Original post by JamesN88)
    Le Pen isn't right wing economically. Euroscepticism isn't confined to the right either.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
    because a left wing leader can SUPPORT TRUMP
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    What the bloody hell does this mean


    You are a: Left-Leaning Isolationist Ultranationalist Reactionary
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    I got Communist Anti-Government Interventionist Bleeding-Heart Libertine. Fair enough.
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    (Original post by SHA1875)
    What the bloody hell does this mean


    You are a: Left-Leaning Isolationist Ultranationalist Reactionary
    Kim Jong Un.
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    (Original post by LisaNikita)
    because a left wing leader can SUPPORT TRUMP
    Well according to this test I'm left of the center and I think Trump will be great for the USA Patriotism is his greatest quality

    But saying that the other political compass has me in Neo-Nazi territory.
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    (Original post by SHA1875)
    Well according to this test I'm left of the center and I think Trump will be great for the USA Patriotism is his greatest quality

    But saying that the other political compass has me in Neo-Nazi territory.
    This one's BS.

    isidewith is pretty good IMO.
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    (Original post by JamesN88)
    This one's BS.

    isidewith is pretty good IMO.
    60% with UKIP and 24% with BNP the Tories was on 34% and Labour 33%
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    Deconstructing my result

    Objectivist (83%) - I support free trade and think state intervention fails the majority of the time. Support a minarchist state but with some sort of universal income.

    Libertarian- prefer the label ''classical liberal' - generally think people and democracy are dumb.

    Interventionist/non interventionist - got zero percent on this so didn't get a result in my 'title'. I think we should generally not get involved unless faced with something utterly despicable and growing such as ISIS

    Nativist- I don't feel proud to be British but I do feel fortunate as I think it's one of if not the best places in the world to live and is far superior to other specifically non western places that do not have left the freedoms we do. I think generally we should limit immigration from cultures very different to our own (muslims mainly)

    Moderate- don't believe in religion (which is at best superstitious gibberish) but nor either in continuous progress in society: I think there's a lot if degeneracy in modern society.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    State capitalism =/= communism. Lenin even said this.

    China isn't a communist society. It is rulled by a communist party however. I'm sure there are plenty of the ruling elite who in private are not communists, but it has become part of the state ideology so they have to incorporate it some how. I'm sure there are also those in the elite who have a Leninist style outlook of guiding the plebs to communism when the historical material conditions some how align and communism becomes possible and other such "scientific socialism" hokum. I don't know why they bother though since Communism is after all inevitable. :rolleyes:

    Do you think North Korea is democratic because they have the word in the ruling ideology? It's a similar kind of thing.
    We've discussed this before. I agree that China isn't communist but as the hitch said it has all the features of a Marxist ideology bar the most important - worker representations e.g. Unions
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    (Original post by SHA1875)
    What the bloody hell does this mean

    You are a: Left-Leaning Isolationist Ultranationalist Reactionary
    You are inclined to believe the state can do s good job of running things e.g. Nationalising public transport.

    You think generally we should stay out if foreign affairs.

    You think immigration if there should even be any should be kept very low and that your country/ race/ culture is superior to others.

    You think that the majority of liberal 'progress' is rubbish such as abortion/ homosexuality/ declining marriages/ the decline of the nuclear family etc usually linked to religious beliefs or values.


    You probably like it agree with Putin and Marine Le Pen
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    You are inclined to believe the state can do s good job of running things e.g. Nationalising public transport.

    You think generally we should stay out if foreign affairs.

    You think immigration if there should even be any should be kept very low and that your country/ race/ culture is superior to others.

    You think that the majority of liberal 'progress' is rubbish such as abortion/ homosexuality/ declining marriages/ the decline of the nuclear family etc usually linked to religious beliefs or values.


    You probably like it agree with Putin and Marine Le Pen
    I get the other bit but i do not understand why they had me as left because even economically i am more right than left only slightly though.
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    (Original post by JamesN88)
    This one's BS
    Why?
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    Why do political compass sites always put social security with left wing economics? Is something like the NHS or benefits that revolutionary that it can't be seen as a middle ground policy?
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    You are a: Objectivist Non-Inverventionist Ultranationalist Fundamentalist.

    Sounds about right, though I support intervention when it comes to war, but not when it comes to foreign aid and rubbish like that.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    We've discussed this before. I agree that China isn't communist but as the hitch said it has all the features of a Marxist ideology bar the most important - worker representations e.g. Unions
    So why were you saying China is communist? When you described china as communist you even put communist in quotation marks.

    Most of Marxist ideology is a critique of capitalism, not what communism would look like.
 
 
 
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