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    (Original post by Davij038)
    Conservative:in terms of economics
    Pro goververnment as you say
    Isolationist: not a ultra isolationist but somebody inclined to let things go unless the US clearly benefits for it
    so he isn't really a conservative but rather just "right wing"...
    again, "pro-government" is very ambiguous. everybody in US politics is basically pro-government. by what metric are we using to decide whether somebody is "pro-government"?
    and honestly, if the EU uses protectionism and they're not called isolationists, why is trump being called it?

    Ultranationalist: Overtly patriotic
    you have to understand the significance of the word "ultra" here in a text book setting
    "ultra liberals" are anarcho capitalists
    "ultra socialists" are anarcho communists (or mutualists, syndicalists, etc)
    And hence, "ultra nationalists" are fascists.
    also, it depends what you mean by "overly" patriotic. he's obviously patriotic, but what does it mean to be "overly" patriotic? has he ever said something absurd in a nationalist manner? has he spoken obvious lies in favour of america? I haven't hear him do that

    Fundamentalist: pro life, anti drugs, anti gay marriage, harbouring after better times, I imagine he's an atheist but he's more than happy to support the religious right
    he's not necessarily anti drug if you've read what he thinks at least about marijuana policy. "anti gay marriage"? no, he was opposed to supreme court's agency in the decision, as am I technically speaking, as a bisexual individual who thinks that that kind of policy should be a democratic choice, not a juricial one - he wants gay marriage to be decided at a state level. that is NOT anti-gay marriage. that's like saying that the UK government is anti-health care just because it allows scotland to decide their health care policies. and honestly, I am yet to see any evidence that he's supporting the religious right in substantive ways.
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    (Original post by PurpleNerple)
    so he isn't really a conservative but rather just "right wing"...
    again, "pro-government" is very ambiguous. everybody in US politics is basically pro-government. by what metric are we using to decide whether somebody is "pro-government"?
    and honestly, if the EU uses protectionism and they're not called isolationists, why is trump being called it?



    you have to understand the significance of the word "ultra" here in a text book setting
    "ultra liberals" are anarcho capitalists
    "ultra socialists" are anarcho communists (or mutualists, syndicalists, etc)
    And hence, "ultra nationalists" are fascists.
    also, it depends what you mean by "overly" patriotic. he's obviously patriotic, but what does it mean to be "overly" patriotic? has he ever said something absurd in a nationalist manner? has he spoken obvious lies in favour of america? I haven't hear him do that



    he's not necessarily anti drug if you've read what he thinks at least about marijuana policy. "anti gay marriage"? no, he was opposed to supreme court's agency in the decision, as am I technically speaking, as a bisexual individual who thinks that that kind of policy should be a democratic choice, not a juricial one - he wants gay marriage to be decided at a state level. that is NOT anti-gay marriage. that's like saying that the UK government is anti-health care just because it allows scotland to decide their health care policies. and honestly, I am yet to see any evidence that he's supporting the religious right in substantive ways.
    Conservative In terms of economics then.

    He is less pro government than Hilary but far more than say Gary Johnson and thinks there is a role for the state in shape if people's lives

    Because it's isolationist in terms of foreign policy. He's repeatedly criticised NATO and he advocates putting American interests first.

    I'm not particularly anti Trump but he has quite obviously got done sort of nationalist agenda and he is quite prepared to overtly support torture and other measures to support American interests and ramp up military spending and prestige far more than other candidates


    His cabinet is staffed full of people who doesn't believe in evolution, climate change or vaccine, gay conversion therapies in addition to as I said before. Short of burning witches I don't think you can get more overtly fundamental.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    Conservative In terms of economics then.

    He is less pro government than Hilary but far more than say Gary Johnson and thinks there is a role for the state in shape if people's lives
    how does it define him as a politician then? your label of him (or the label you used) was "pro-government" - honestly, it's just a misleading label whch doesn't apply to him very well. for instance, how is he a social interventionist? is immigration the sole issue we must judge him by in this dimension? and how is he an economic interventionist? is he raising taxes? is it merely his suggestion of a tariff which causes his very political existence to be once revolving around pro-government principles which distinguishes him from other politicians?

    Because it's isolationist in terms of foreign policy. He's repeatedly criticised NATO and he advocates putting American interests first.
    he doesn't disagree with the existence of NATO though, so how is he "isolationist"? he actually wants members of NATO to conform to the policies of the organisation. that's not being isolated but rather connected with other nations of the world, surely? I really fail to understan how he is being isolated. why is putting american interests first "isolated"?

    I'm not particularly anti Trump but he has quite obviously got done sort of nationalist agenda and he is quite prepared to overtly support torture and other measures to support American interests and ramp up military spending and prestige far more than other candidates
    it's all relative to others though - hillary supported rigging palestinian elections yet trump is criticised for being pro-torture towards terrorists? surely you can see the moral dimension of one and not the other? how is rigging palestinian elections moral? what good end does it secure? I'm not saying torture is less authoritarian but at least it is authoritarian (like riggings) for an end that is for the citizens of the USA whereas rigging palestinian elections is irrelevant to citizens but more for US power politics

    His cabinet is staffed full of people who doesn't believe in evolution, climate change or vaccine, gay conversion therapies in addition to as I said before. Short of burning witches I don't think you can get more overtly fundamental.
    again, how does this define him* as a politician? if the labour party before corbyn had a paedophile supporting radical feminist in the cabinet or shadow cabinet does that mean that the labour party's leader is also a paedophile radical feminist? (I'm talking about harriet harman before you may begin to think I'm making it up)
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