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    No. Firstly, while the Russian intervention in Ukraine was highly objectionable, we cannot pretend it was a random and spontaneous act of aggression in response to nothing. A pro-Russian government was overthrown and Western nations undoubtedly had a hand in that. Why else would John McCain and the director of the CIA have been in Kiev at the time? Why else would American diplomatic officials be caught talking on the phone about which future Ukrainian government they saw fit to take charge? I won't even get into NATO expansion towards Russia after the Cold War because that's done and dusted, but we have to stop pretending Russia is some mortal threat to the UK and we certainly have to stop pretending it's a neo-Hitlerite imperialist power. If that were the case, then Russia would have already occupied the "near abroad". The fact of the matter is, Russia wants a sphere of influence around its borders. Tough. Short of starting another world war, there's nothing we can do about it. We should drop sanctions and rather bolster our own defenses. Think about this, if in accordance to the rhetoric of many leaders in Europe, Russia was truly such a major threat to world peace, then why are many European countries failing to meet the 2% of GDP spending commitment on defense (indeed many who loudly complain about Russian aggression are cutting back)?

    The solution is peace through strength. We need to strengthen and expand our military capabilities and develop a missile defense system on the Russian border which neutralises Russian capabilities, for Russia's ultimate strength is its vast nuclear arsenal. That and a strong conventional military would do more to protect peace in Europe then any amount of economic sanctions could. There are many areas of cooperation with Russia which would serve us well, e.g. the conflict in Syria, energy security etc. Ukraine is a tiddly little issue being blown out of proportion by virtue signalling politicians.
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    (Original post by Palmyra)
    Which "bits of Georgia" have Russia "taken"?
    Russia invaded Georgia in 2008, and since then have occupied the Georgian regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. These regions may not have been officially annexed, but they are effectively under Russian control.
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    (Original post by Sycatonne23)
    No. Firstly, while the Russian intervention in Ukraine was highly objectionable, we cannot pretend it was a random and spontaneous act of aggression in response to nothing. A pro-Russian government was overthrown and Western nations undoubtedly had a hand in that. Why else would John McCain and the director of the CIA have been in Kiev at the time? Why else would American diplomatic officials be caught talking on the phone about which future Ukrainian government they saw fit to take charge? I won't even get into NATO expansion towards Russia after the Cold War because that's done and dusted, but we have to stop pretending Russia is some mortal threat to the UK and we certainly have to stop pretending it's a neo-Hitlerite imperialist power. If that were the case, then Russia would have already occupied the "near abroad". The fact of the matter is, Russia wants a sphere of influence around its borders. Tough. Short of starting another world war, there's nothing we can do about it. We should drop sanctions and rather bolster our own defenses. Think about this, if in accordance to the rhetoric of many leaders in Europe, Russia was truly such a major threat to world peace, then why are many European countries failing to meet the 2% of GDP spending commitment on defense (indeed many who loudly complain about Russian aggression are cutting back)?

    The solution is peace through strength. We need to strengthen and expand our military capabilities and develop a missile defense system on the Russian border which neutralises Russian capabilities, for Russia's ultimate strength is its vast nuclear arsenal. That and a strong conventional military would do more to protect peace in Europe then any amount of economic sanctions could. There are many areas of cooperation with Russia which would serve us well, e.g. the conflict in Syria, energy security etc. Ukraine is a tiddly little issue being blown out of proportion by virtue signalling politicians.
    That's literally the current policy-NATO expansion and an eastern missile defence system.
    Also the idea that Russia has an inherent right to a sphere of influence is laughable, as in the notion that a western ally getting invaded and dismembered is simply a tiddly little issue.
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    Yes, it should be maintained - what Russia did in Ukraine and is now doing in Syria is wrong and we need to stand up to them otherwise it becomes acceptable behaviour.
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    (Original post by pol pot noodles)
    That's literally the current policy-NATO expansion and an eastern missile defence system.
    Also the idea that Russia has an inherent right to a sphere of influence is laughable, as in the notion that a western ally getting invaded and dismembered is simply a tiddly little issue.
    I didn't endorse further NATO expansion. I said that NATO should halt any further expansion in favour of bolstering defenses of its current members, through a missile defence system. Secondly, I never said Russia had the "inherent right" to a sphere of influence. I said whether we like it or not, that is what they aim to exert in the non-NATO nations they neighbour and there is absolutely nothing we can do of significant impact. Lastly, although friendly relations with Ukraine is desirable, please don't pretend it's as significant of an ally as a country like Poland or Romania is. We don't have strong economic ties with Ukraine and we certainly don't have strong military ties with Ukraine. Risking a third world war or damaging cooperation with Russia on many important issues like Syria just to protect the sovereignty of what is actually a corrupt kleptocracy and economic basket case is absolutely absurd. The moment Russia dares to try anything with a NATO member, we should respond with full force. Until then, we have to be pragmatic.
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    i dont think you can trust any country that isn't a democracy, even though it tries to pretend it is

    don't trust the un for the same reasons

    and I don't think little blemishes like the house of lords means our democracys is faulty like theres, its fairly obvious if the people have a say or not

    but capitalists always make it so we must deal with the pretend Marxists

    I think when people realise that capitalisem is bad and they then democratically vote for it Russia will then be forced to realise its a dictatorship not comunist
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    If the UK, US and Russia team up and unite, we could rule the world. MUHAHAHA!:devil:
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    (Original post by tomywomy)
    If the UK, US and Russia team up and unite, we could rule the world. MUHAHAHA!:devil:
    It's gonna be a civil war.
 
 
 
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